Shannon Hartnett test’s positive..!

I thought that he and Heini had broken up.

Hehehehehehe. He said Heini.

Borges wrote: I, for one, vow not to attend Pleasanton again in any capacity unless and until Mindy Lincoln is declared the legitimate winner and Shannon is stripped of the 2005 title.

If they do that, then Jess moves up to 2nd and get the WFH Championship Title.  Don't know if they'd ever do it, but it would be neato.

As for Shannon, since she did test positive for "juice", does that mean she will be banned from the games for a few years or something?  I know she retired and all, but who's to say this test had nothing to do with her retirement?  Who's to also say she took it intentionally or if it was in the supplements she was taking?  Only she knows the truth.  

Again, I(and Jess) still like her on the everyday personal level.  On the athletic level it sucks.  I'm not going to yell and cause a big ruckus about it.  Hell, I'm sure I've thrown against guys who "ride the needle" and beat me in the games.  Honestly, I don't care.  If that's what they wanna do, then cool.  I'll be healthy and fit, when they are dieing of various forms of cancer and stuff.  All for some metals, some swords, and some cheering.      

Look guys, the reality for MOST "organizations" and AD's is that they don't have the money for testing and are not willing to incur the liabilty that follows. The West Coast clearly has the most organized and official sanctioning body - for the rest of "us" going through the whole process and expense of testing and subsequent banning/litigation just isn't worth it. Most of the AD's I throw with are out there to make a little money and get some fresh air and enjoy the company. Many of the games are also not willing to incur that expense/liability and would probably rather drop the heavy events then risk a law suit, they don't look at is as a "sport" anyways - it's more of a historical re-enactment from their perspective.

Maybe that's not right, but that's the way it is.

I do not think the reason for people wanting the second place thrower to get to have the title is for money..  With our sport we are not funded enough to have drug testing or to have huge dollar prizes.  Our sport as it has always has been is about strength and honor..  I compete  in the sport for many reasons 2 of those being, the storied history of those who went before me and what they stood for, fighting against "oppression" and the honor that took..  Secondly for the fun of competing with good people..

I feel that the point is that in a sport of honor and good competition cheaters are really looked down on..  As I see it we take the advise of those who posted before, we make it as clear as we can as a body of athletes that we feel it is wrong to cheat to win, we have a form at the entry table that athletes are encouraged to sign that states they acknowledge these are drug free games and that they agree they are drug free.  The rest is between them and God...

I think this thread is good conversation as I would think it might keep some from even trying the stuff as they have seen an"Icon" of our sport be brought down to a level below any that could be reached by poor results in a games.  

Just another money point, as I run the Womens World Championships I would love to be able to test these ladies to make sure that we are doing our part ot keep it clean, but I have to weigh the cost of what brings in money for us, and what is only a cost and not a return.  Also if I am trying to get the best throwers here I need to use any moneys I have for the event to go to getting them here to compete..  But again as others have said keep throwing out ideas as one may actually work..

Happy B'day - ya old fart! Welcome to the "Young Master's"...

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Are you going Master's, Alec?!  Dude, we won't be able to throw together anymore...

Yeah, reading Paul's most forced me to take a nap afterwords...