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    Posted: 6/01/11 at 3:33am

Since the beginning of the season, I have had numerous conversations with with fellow athletes regarding the current state of drug use in the HG.  It seems that many people have an opinion about what, who, when, right, wrong, etc...  I want to take this opportunity to make a statement to the up and coming athletes of all levels in our beloved sport.  When I began in this sport in the mid 90's, the athletes of that time (R.V., AGunn, FBreb, PFer, KPauli, etc..) all expressed the same belief that performance enhancing drugs had no place in the HG.  This was reinforced with testing all over Scotland and numerous spots in the US.  If you were caught using drugs you were shunned and placed in exile.  Whether you agreed with the treatment or not, it certainly provided everyone with the clearly understood rule that drugs were not acceptable in this sport.  This didn't prevent everyone from using drugs, just as the death penalty doesn't prevent murder.  What it did do is send a clear message about expectation and acceptance.  Times certainly have changed.  The large majority of athletes I have spoken with agree that this expectation has become extremely blurry, at best.  Many of us believe there are individuals in our sport, who for some reason have decided to use drugs.  As I have stated, there have always been these people.  The problem as I see it, is that the lack of a clear expectation that drugs are not ok, clouds the issue for anyone in this sport without this background knowledge.  So, we have a sport that virtually doesn't drug test, other than the SGA and IHGF, no known expectation that we be CLEAN, and athletes who use the clause, "They all do it.  How else could they throw like that?".  This sets up the sport for people to do whatever they want and think that it is ok.  I would like to apologize to the "Legends" of the sport for being asleep at the wheel and not doing my part to set the record straight.  As a result, let me say this: Whether you make the personal choice to use drugs to compete in the HG is your decision but it is not ok or acceptable by the standards of those who have made this sport what it is today.  Nor is it acceptable to me.  We all have an obligation to set an example for our families and others.  People, big and small, admire us for what we do.  If you are currently using drugs and make a commitment to "get clean", I applaud you.  If you choose to continue using, do it without using other athletes as your justification.  Most of us have worked hard, drug free and accomplished a lot.  Know that life is much bigger than the HG, but all that you do now speaks to who you are and what you will become.  Some of you will be annoyed with this post and the texting and emails will begin to buzz, but if it truly bothers you, you need to question why????

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PS: Steve C.- Please accept my apology for bringing this up during this time but it needed to be said. 

                                                                                     

 

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Originally posted by hbaileyIII hbaileyIII wrote:

Know that life is much bigger than the HG, but all that you do now speaks to who you are and what you will become.  

There’s never been a truer statement…well said HB  We, the IHGF are working diligently to ensure that our sport, in the most part, remains clean.  I must say though, if athletes are taking drugs in this sport, man their priorities and minds are severally screwed up…badly



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Well said Harrison. Drug use is a personal choice, but if you're not happy with who you are and what your accomplishments are...PED's will not help change how you see yourself in the mirror. At the end of your days, will you remember the trophies and the records or the lost time you could have spent with your grandchildren?

Remember guys, it's called a "game" for a reason. Enjoy it, but more importantly, enjoy life. Just my 2 cents.

I applaud HB3 for his stand.

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I absolutely agree with HB3.  In the end the sport will never be drug free.  I just don't want to see it go from mostly clean to mostly dirty.   Some may assume that the top guys of the sport are using and think its the way to go.  I don't believe that, and you can do it the right way.  I will say that I'm completely lifetime drug free.  I have been tested 6 times since competing in this sport.  All tests were clean.  Maybe its obvious when you see my 15 inch arms.  But my point is that you can throw far without them.  Those that have used and aren't any more, I commend you.  We all make mistakes.  This sport should be one for clean athletes, in my opinion. 
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Definitely agree with above. Having done
both powerlifting and strongman (where
drug usage was pretty ubiquitous) It is
nice to be in a sport where drug usage is
at a minimum, at least it seems that way
to me. It seems the drug usage generally
catches up to the users (health problems,
relationship issues, etc..) Don't see how
you can look in the mirror knowing your
cheating- would definitely support
testing as I think at the very least
dissuades people from entering contests
if they think they might be caught
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alan H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/01/11 at 4:56am
What Harrison said.... what all of you said.

Highland Games is what we DO. It's not who we ARE.  Personal integrity is way, way more important than numbers on a scoreboard, or your name engraved on a trophy.

In the end, as Kellynik said to me once... "We're throwing rocks and sticks. Get over it."

We're throwing rocks and sticks.  It's a GAME.  Highland GAMES.  I don't know where the elephant is, and honestly I don't  think I want to know.  But buy a clue. Integrity is a LOT more important than a stack of trophies or records in a book.
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Thank you HB for this post. When it comes from a legend in our sport it means alot and you have my full support. I love this sport more than anyone will ever know and would hate to see it turn into the other two sports that Shawn Baker mentioned. Me being a lifetime drug free athlete also, it is great to see guys who are at the top of our sport say this. It gives all drug free highland gamers hope and shows that it is not OK to use PED. I know that we will never see all games test. But I would like to see a push for testing at all the high level games.( Celtic, P-town, Claw, )
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Completely agree with HBIII here. Two points.

  • The economics of the sport make it difficult to pay for expensive drug tests which limits the regularity of a drug testing program. That is unfortunate, but true.
  • When someone tests positive there must be a consequence. That means stripping them of titles they won after testing positive. If there is no consequence, what is the point in testing for, or even disallowing, drug use?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote C. Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/01/11 at 5:22am
Good message.

Originally posted by hbaileyIII hbaileyIII wrote:

We all know there are individuals in our sport, who for some reason have decided to use drugs.  


I definitely do not KNOW this.  I must be rooming with the wrong athletes, lol.


Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:

"We're throwing rocks and sticks. Get over it."


This.  So this. 
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Craig,

Noted and corrected!

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Good post. Although when I came up I threw with a lot of the legends. I think the sport is cleaner now then back in the day.
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Actually I'm lying this wasn't a good post. It was too long and had too many words.
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I, likewise, am a lifetime clean athlete who has been tested and passed - but beyond that, I give you my word as a clean athlete.  Young guys ... you don't need that garbage to be a pro!  Not everyone in strength sports is using, and really, what good does it do to use?!  I've been in this sport for seven years now, and I can't even begin to estimate how many hours I've spent in the field practicing.  Rain, snow, sleet, etc.; for one season I was the "Mailman," always in the field regardless the weather.  

I've been mocked before because of my stance on drugs in regards to my relationship with Jesus Christ.  I could care less what people think!  I remain clean for my wife, my children, my friends, my family, my co-workers, my highland game family, and most importantly, my Savior.  Since I know I answer to Him, trust that I am, and will remain, clean.  Please, never question that.  And please, all you young guys and newbies, take HB's words to heart.
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The size of this response is terrific. We are in a critical time at this point
and the leadership of the top athletes is crucial. Drug testing is something
that more Highland Games should do more drug testing. That is where
AD's and those in positions of influence should also push drug testing to
be performed at more Highland Games.

As my 2 cents, anyone who knows me knows how I feel about steroid
use, and I strongly condemn steroid use.

Harrison, I have always admired you as an athlete and a man. But I must
say my opinion of you is that much greater for making that statement.
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HB3 post != Doc Bill post. 

But I understand your point Bill.
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I think the SGA does it right in Scotland.  You never know when or where your going to be tested.  It could be at a small games or at a big one.  Of course you would need some type of organization to do that.
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Glad to see this support and outspokeness on the subject. Anyone confused or unclear on the issue has only to note that no sport approves illegal PEDs. Its a pretty clear sign that if you cant talk openly about doing it and it's illegal it shouldnt be done (or stay home and do it and stay out of the sport) Most people understand it dishonors youself, your competitors and the sport.

Also lack of vigorous enforcement doesnt not constitute endorsement.

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As long as Smithwicks, Glenlivet and Copenhagen are never banned I will be good to go.

No room for Vitamin S in my training.  It's a cheaters path is what I've always felt. 

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Good post HBIII.

I felt guilty for using a belt when I lifted the Dinnie stones, I can't imagine how I'd feel on something stronger.

It's a hobby and a game. I trained with a crew that I always assumed was clean as I was clean. Then in talking with many of them I realized that I was one of the few that was clean. Some guys competed in PL, some in strongman and some didn't compete at all but still used. Even the weakest among us was using. It's a sad fact that there will always be people using for whatever reason. The common trend with them all was that it was okay, everyone did it, or it wasn't a big deal. Until people make it a big deal, those attitudes will continue. So, it's cool that someone of this stature speaks up.

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I agree with these posts.  As someone who used PED's during college, I can now see some of the damage that it has done to my body.  They caused me to tear muscles and tendons/ligaments that I would have normally felt off of them, now I have to wake daily in pain and walk gingerly for the first hour I am awake, at age 34.  I think a lot of younger people live in the "right now" sector, and do not realize the "later on" part.  I too am glad that this sport seems to be really good about not having a lot of PED users, and I hope that it stays that way.  I love the Highland Games, so glad I started to compete, even though I have only been doing so for less than a year.  I hope that I can continue to compete and reach Master's level and compete later into my life. 
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Isn't this more of a money question? 

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BigScot50,

Thanks for your honesty and confirmation to the negative side of using.  I would have to imagine that not using after personally seeing the considerable "assistance" PED's give you must be even more difficult than never using at all. 

 

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No problem. Have seen some younger folks in my ICU with heart
conditions due to steroids. Sad, I'm just lucky that the damage I
caused was minimal and manageable.
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Originally posted by Ryan Vierra Ryan Vierra wrote:

Originally posted by hbaileyIII hbaileyIII wrote:

Know that life is much bigger than the HG, but all that you do now speaks to who you are and what you will become.  

 if athletes are taking drugs in this sport, man their priorities and minds are severally screwed up…badly

I like these two statements.

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Originally posted by Duncan McCallum Duncan McCallum wrote:

Isn't this more of a money question? 

How so?

I figure if someone would spend their time and energy on eating right and focusing on what's best instead of trying to get away with using PED's they would have less stress and be more effective in their HG training. 

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Duncan is saying that with regards to testing I believe. 

And yes, that along with the logistical and legal concerns (as Carlos mentioned a couple above).  But we've been over this ad nauseam, feel free to search. 
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Rob,

What I mean is: Is this more a question about PED-abusers throwing bigger numbers as a result of better living through chemistry and, as a result, garnering invites to bigger Games with bigger payouts...?

Or, is it more of an appeal to the sportsmanship and honor of the participants in the face of a sport with little or no oversight from a singular governing body with some kind of enforcement authority?

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I remember hearing a former T&F guy basicly saying it made no sense to juice if you weren't already within 10% of a world record.  I really don't think that not doing drugs is what kept me from winning Worlds, especially since I lost to two of the cleanest guys around (Vierra and Aitken). For me, there was always something else I could/should have been doing (more practice, more lifting, following an actual routine etc) that I couldn't justify using PEDs, even if I'd been willing to try them (or been able to find them). 

I honestly don't know who's clean and who's dirty (if anybody). I tend to assume the best of everyone. There's a long list of guys in this sport who've been committed to competing drug free and have routinely condemned PEDs.  It's continuing today with HB, Sean, McKim etc., some of the most visable guys in the sport. That's probably the most important thing we can do, to set the tone as athletes and to set an example for newer athletes from the top.

Bravo.

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I don't know if anyone here has heard of the mulitple world record holder powerlifter Dan Austin.  The guy is a little fire plug and is currently an assistant strength and conditioning coach at the Univ of So. Carolina. Before that he was the head S&C coach at my alma mater of Oklahoma State.

I was speaking with him on PED's in sports a few years back and his point of view which I adopted is that we compete in very obscure sports HG, PLing and Strongman why put your body at risk for something that is obscure. 

Enjoy the sport for what it is.  Be the best YOU can be.  That's why I don't lift in gear and use minimal equipment when lifting (wrist wraps and straps is about all I don't even use a belt)  I am a purist at heart if I can never throw the number that the pros or the top A's can so be it, it wasn't meant to be.  Not that I won't work hard and try. 

I got other stuff to spend my money on rather than spending it on trying to cheat the system. 

Craig I am sure this topic has been covered ad nauseam as you said above but it's good for conversation. 

Duncan I would rather be clean and have a clear conscious than get invited to one of the "TOP" games.  I'll go as a spectator and shag weights if I want to be involved If I have to.

But to each their own.  I don't judge.  If someone wants to use PED's so be it.  I have been lifting off and on. More off than on  since the late 80's and have seen the tell tale signs of what abusers look like.  So yeah there are juicer's out there.  I just like to see when a nutural throttles them in a game. 

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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Duncan is saying that with regards to testing I believe. 

And yes, that along with the logistical and legal concerns (as Carlos mentioned a couple above).  But we've been over this ad nauseam, feel free to search. 

If it costs only a couple hundred for a test, I don't see the cost as an issue.  As long as the athlete signs the form before competing, aren't they saying that they agree to the terms, as far the legal part of it.  I'm definitely not a lawyer so I may be off base.  If its a big venue like the Celtic, Pleasanton, or Loon Mountain, they could just say if you test positive you can't be invited back, and forfeit the prize money.  Its probably too complicated to have them banned from all games or athletic endeavors.

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