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    Posted: 6/20/11 at 2:33am

Question:  Besides the World Masters Championships are there any slightly lower level games for Master athletes to attend?

I do not mean masters state championships, I am referring to something larger or are the bigger ones invite only? Or Pro Masters only?

Now that there is a Pro-Masters Group can Masters that threw in a Pro-Masters event throw in any Masters Group?

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There is only an age group competition at the MWC by SMAI. We welcome all throwers regardless of pro or am status. We make no such distinctions or categories as Pro Masters.

You'll see an open pro/am format at MWC 2011 Calgary.

Check out who is coming to the event here:

http://www.scottishmasters.org/MWC2011Athletes.html

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The only criteria for being a master is age. 

I assume by "Pro-Master" you just mean comps that pay that group of throwers?  Those would obv be by invite only (Alma, Grandfather, Stone, etc...). 
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Because of my pro status I can not throw masters in any SHAG games.  Well, I can but the scores will not count!
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Originally posted by chirolifter chirolifter wrote:

Because of my pro status I can not throw masters in any SHAG games.  Well, I can but the scores will not count!


wtf?  Are you serious?
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Its what I was told last yr.  I wanted to do Greenville, masters.  I was welcome but my scores would not count! 
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Wow.

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in Canada some games pay masters and Altomont pays masters over 45(so Myles is out since he's only 39) prize money
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Pleasanton is open, and it's a pretty big show. You have to apply with Steve Conway, and Steve calls the shots and makes the invitations, but certainly we've had some pretty big guns show up at the Masters classes at P'town.

Don't expect to make any significant money at it.

Wally pays the top finishers in the Masters classes at the Claw, too.  It's not a lot but you can pay off your hotel with it if you're in the top 3.  I think I won $100 by finishing 2nd in the 50-59's last year.   Personally, I just handed my check back to him and told him to go buy another hammer, or a new tent or whatever he needed to make it happen again this year, but that's just me.
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Alan,

You should have taken the $100.00 bucks and volunteered yourself to drug testing.

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I was thinking about this the exact same thing. There is a huge difference between the MWC's and the Pro Masters comp. they had in europe last year. Or masters comp's in general.

I compete in masters but I would look silly trying to  compete with athletes like Gene Flynn and the rest of that field...those guy's are on a different level...and that's why they were invited to that comp!!

But it is just age for masters...if someone was a pro and wants to compete in a masters events at local games then so be it....again no one's getting rich at this....to me it's about showing up competing..pushing myself...enjoying the games and comraderie (sp?)...if my throws get beat by 10 feet so what...

But it is good that they do have a Pro Masters World Championships so that the best masters can get invited and paid to compete.. and if at the bigger comp's they pay the best masters then that is great...

And the MWC's are a great mix of pro's and am's alike..I was able to compete there and it was a great experience..and hopefully I will be back there competing again...

My point after all my rambling ? !! I am getting old....masters is just an age thing.... 

 

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Originally posted by Rob Schultz Rob Schultz wrote:

Alan,

You should have taken the $100.00 bucks and volunteered yourself to drug testing.



IN FACT..... I am thinking about doing exactly that, this year. Except that this year I'm gonna have to have the day to end all days to score in the top three!

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Rob, there are many many games here in the Pacific North west that have Men's masters divisions at them that are not championships.. I believe that almost all the games I have thrown in in BC, WA, OR, CA , UT etc.. all had Men's masters.. I believe in the nasga calendar where all the games are listed most AD's list what divisions they will have.. and contact info.. I always double check with the AD since this information can change year to year.. cheers Karyn 
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We threw "just Masters" at Loch Lomond/Watsonville yesterday.

The 50-59's had nine throwers I think.

Because we only had two judges, they put the 60+'s together with the 40-49's, but there were about 10-12 guys in  that combined group.  There's a big skill range. Ken Lowther dominated the 40's with huge throws, though Carlos was on his heels all day,  and Kel Mulrey took us all to school in the 50-59's with 100+ foot hammer throws, mid 50  LWFD and a 15 in WOB.  In the same Games we had two completely new guys who'd never been to a Games before, and one guy out for his 2nd Games.
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Rob, MASA also has a lot of great Masters comps!!
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Big Rob,  if you want to come up for a MASA game you are welcome to crash at casa de Dickens.

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Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:

Wally pays the top finishers in the Masters classes at the Claw, too.  It's not a lot but you can pay off your hotel with it if you're in the top 3.
 
Actually, it's just the top two plus the Caber Champ.  The Caber Champ is usually the overall Champ or Runner-up.

Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:

I think I won $100 by finishing 2nd in the 50-59's last year.   Personally, I just handed my check back to him and told him to go buy another hammer, or a new tent or whatever he needed to make it happen again this year, but that's just me.

And your donation was greatly appreciated!!  Thanks again.  Don't forget that as a returning lnvitee, you'll get mileage (up to 600 miles) and $50 for expenses for a total of $260.  lt bears pointing out that this year, Alan is also donating a perpetual trophy along with keeper trophies.  'Cuz that's the kind'a guy he is!
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Originally posted by Kilted Canuck Kilted Canuck wrote:

Rob, there are many many games here in the Pacific Northwest that have Men's masters divisions at them that are not championships.

Except the Claw, which, of course, is the North American!
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Originally posted by chirolifter chirolifter wrote:

Because of my pro status I can not throw masters in any
SHAG games.


forgive my ignorance but what are SHAG games? dont know that one...

and MASA? another acronym I dont recognize.....

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Originally posted by phatmiked phatmiked wrote:

Big Rob,  if you want to come up for a MASA game you are welcome to crash at casa de Dickens.

Thanks Mike,

I have wanted to see your basement where the dancing moves were created. I must say I have watched your video a few times (In a non-gay way)***

What is the next masters games you are doing?

I have a little son now and can't do any games for 2-3 months.

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I'd like to get you guys' input on this a little further.

As a fairly New AD (Greenville), I've strived to maintain or improve upon the Standards that I learned by, which were Kay Cummins. His views on Pro/Am Status were very well known and he didn't hesitate to tell you what they were. Being in the South, my only real exposure has been to SSAAA (Kay Cummins) or SHAG (An Off-Shoot of SSAAA), so the same basic rules applied.

My goal is and has been to grow our game to the highest level achievable. This means the highest level of exposure to the public. Creating a Family/Festival Atmposhere that brings the people to our game. As a secondary goal, I want the very best competition, i.e. everyone wanting to throw as hard and far as they can throw. Good competitive scores and a close match for the win. (Just my 2 cents).

I can truly see both sides of the coin as far as having (Pro/Masters and Am/Masters throwing together vs. separating the two.

Do you see an advantage to having Pro/Masters throwing with Am/ Masters? Do you think that there's a fall-off of participation from your Am/Masters if they know they're going to be throwing with a couple of Pros? Again, as an AD, I want the biggest and best participation available. That's what brings more people in the gate.

Personally, I've had the absolute pleasure of getting to throw with Gene Flynn, Chris Chafin and Mike Neise. I can't remember when I've learned as much and simply stood in awe of what they were able to do. Braidy Miller is a new thrower in the 40-44 Age group who simply throws Bombs!! I can see from a competition standpoint, that having those two guys go head to head at my game would be simply spectacular to watch. Would it cause some of the other Am/Masters to throw B Division instead? Does my crowd get bored knowing which one or two guys are going to dominate every event? I don't know, that's why I ask.

I've always tried to be open to learning something new or seeing things in a different light and this is no exception. What are the compelling reasons to change from what's always been done to something new? Will it help grow my game (Greenville) and our Overall Sport as a result of changing? That's where I need others' input. I'd be interested in hearing from other AD's and their experiences with making this leap, if it really is a leap.

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John,

I think if you can get the best guys to show up... i.e...Gene Flynn, Chris Chafin, Mike Neise..etc... you kind of owe it to the organizers of the festival and the crowd...

Personally I would love to throw with those guys..although I would totally get smoked..ha ha...

I'm not sure if the crowd cares ?...pro/masters  am/masters ..am A, B , C, novice ..etc..plus it gets a bit crowded with all the different classes...

I dont think the crowd would lose interest if several guy's were dominating..they will be pushing each other....crowds like that..

I would invite the best guy's you can get and I'm sure you'll have other masters willing and wanting to throw ..even if they arent the caliber of the above guy's mentioned...

Congrats on being a new A.D. and good luck promoting and growing  your games... 

 

 

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Cdn Masters Championship offered prize $. Guess that makes me a Pro-Master. Master-Pro?

I think I would go with "Lucky" but I know most people just use "Handsome".

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John,

Kay always told me that the reason he did want pros at his competitions was he felt the friendly competition between athletes went from helping each other to becoming enemies for the money. He told me he saw two athletes that threw together for years  as armatures  that always helped one another go from friends  to being enemies over $25.00 dollars in the sheaf and he did not want that to happen in his games.

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Amateurs not armatures.

Craig please lets us edit again.

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Originally posted by Rob Schultz Rob Schultz wrote:

Originally posted by phatmiked phatmiked wrote:

Big Rob,  if you want to come up for a MASA game you are welcome to crash at casa de Dickens.

Thanks Mike,

I have wanted to see your basement where the dancing moves were created. I must say I have watched your video a few times (In a non-gay way)***

What is the next masters games you are doing?

I have a little son now and can't do any games for 2-3 months.

Rob, next masters game for me is NA champs at the 'Claw.  Throwing open a Sean MacKay's game in Jersey at Glasgowlands, both in July.

We will definitely pull out some cardboard and work on your pop and locking when you come up. 

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You should welcome the athletes to your games with an open mind.

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