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    Posted: 6/15/11 at 5:51am
I finally went and bought a weighlifting belt.  I got the narrowest one I could find, and honestly I probably won't wear it very much when I lift.

But this question  isn't about lifting.

Does anybody here wear a support belt when they throw hammer? Why or why not?

I know that Dan McKim straps up for WOB,  I watchin Dan put it on at Costa Mesa,  but I just haven't looked around and paid attention to whether anybody wears a belt for hammer.
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No, it would be too restrictive to wear for hammer.  
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Look at the Rehband or a similar (Kono etc.) back support.  More or less just an elbow sleeve for your lower back.  I really like mine.  Keeps you warm, gives a little support and is not restrictive at all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alan H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/15/11 at 6:16am
That's what I was thinking, Craig,  which is  one reason why I got a really narrow one.  I figured it was worth a try anyway, the belt was only $20 and my lower back is affecting my hammer distances.     But after winding  a couple of times with the belt on I sorta started to re-think the whole idea... Thus, the question.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alan H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/15/11 at 6:21am
I bought a 4-inch wide  sewn cordura Valeo with a velcro closure.  Well, it can't hurt to have it in the "arsenal"!

The simplest Rehband looks pretty good, Andrew....Hmm..
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The nice part would be that you could use the 4" Valeo over the Rehband for really big stuff like those Farmers walks etc.  The only problem I had with mine was when I put a regular PL belt over top of it to do axle presses.  Very supportive, but couldn't breathe.  Look at the Kono as well, I think it's a lot less expensive and Kono stuff is good.
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I started wearing a belt for the hammers after I tore an abdominal muscle. I also wear it for the caber and WOB, and sometimes the 56. It may be more psychological than anything, but I feel like it helps to have something for my midsection to push against.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AlDargie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/15/11 at 9:11am
Originally posted by Mr. Natural Mr. Natural wrote:

I started wearing a belt for the
hammers after I tore an abdominal muscle. I also wear it
for the caber and WOB, and sometimes the 56. It may be more
psychological than anything, but I feel like it helps to
have something for my midsection to push against.


Something to consider. Pulled something this past weekend
with the Hhammer from the side back area to the front.
Awesome bruising now and still hurts to roll out of bed and
cough.
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what about PL squat briefs? some come over your abdomen. no jokes please :)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verewulf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/15/11 at 9:37am
I wear a basic work type back support for most events.Very flexible but gives just a bit of support.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Daniel McKim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/15/11 at 3:41pm

A foam belt is not restrictive at all, at least for me.  I wear mine for everthing but stones.  I'd guess it's 90% mental (too many back injuries), and I don't think I need it anymore, but again, it's my security blanket and I'm not willing to let go. 

For sure though, when I first hurt my back, it allowed me to keep throwing.  If you like it and it helps you mentally and physically, then by all means wear it!

 

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Originally posted by ROB EVANS ROB EVANS wrote:

what about PL squat briefs? some come over your abdomen. no jokes please :)


No way you could compete in a pair of todays type briefs, and if you wanted them to stay up you'd have to belt them anyway.

I did; however, compete a full season in single ply power pants when I tore my hip flexor.  It worked. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote C. Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/16/11 at 12:31am
Originally posted by Daniel McKim Daniel McKim wrote:

A foam belt is not restrictive at all, at least for me.  I wear mine for everthing but stones. 


Why not for the stones?


Originally posted by Daniel McKim Daniel McKim wrote:

  If you like it and it helps you mentally and physically, then by all means wear it!


Agreed.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alan H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/16/11 at 5:23am
What Craig said.  I was figuring that if there was one event not to wear it for, it'd be hammer because of the huge amount of core movement.

WOB (standing), Caber, sheaf all seemed straightforward....should be able to wear it fine.  Now that I think of it, Dan Williams strapped up for spinning WOB at Costa Mesa, too.  And Harrison had a narrow strap up high....Harrison, somebody had said you'd hurt somethin'...that so?

Here's Rusty @  Woodland, heavy hammer - got a belt on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eAGabgSZBw
Rusty practicing the 28...belt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoBe0oPguGk&feature=relat ed
Rusty practicing 56 wfd  ...belt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_7a0ICa1To&feature=relat ed

Ironmind cover with Larry Brock
http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/opencms/Articles/2009/Jul/L arry_Brock_Wins_Grandfather_Mountain_Highland_Games.html

Gregor Edmonds with caber
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jammach_uk/4804563844/

In case you want to know what brand Gregor wears...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jammach_uk/4803938267/in/photos tream/


OK, what is this that Gregor has on?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jammach_uk/4804570306/in/photos tream/

Awesome picture of Harrison...
http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/files/2008/11/l101439-2.jpg

And another...hey, if you were a kid at HBIII's school, would you give your principal a load of trash mouth? 

http://cmsimg.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl =1&Site=BL&Date=20100515&Category=PHOTOS01&A rtNo=5150803&Ref=PH&Item=6&Maxw=940&Maxh=500 &q=100



CONCLUSION:

1. If I'd just looked around online I'd have found my answer.
2. No pics of Mike P or Ryan V or Sean B  that I saw, belted up. SO..some do, some don't.




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alan H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/16/11 at 5:51am
Greg H.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3252/2727291114_fd8f68811b.jp g


Aaron N  @ Ironmind  (not sure this'll load for everybody) on Braemar

http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/export/sites/default/ironmi nd/neighbour-braemar_lg.jpg

OK, that's enough! 
Some do, some don't.  Some do, ...sometimes, and don't, other times.

I'd be interested in knowing what the big back support  is that Gregor is wearing, though.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote C. Smith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/16/11 at 6:40am
Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:



I'd be interested in knowing what the big back support  is that Gregor is wearing, though.




It's a Rehband belt with his weight belt over it.
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Alan one thing to keep in mind is there is some difference between the old Rehband stuff (Blue) and the new rehband stuff (Grey).  The one Greggor is wearing is an old one.  The old ones are about 2mm thicker so lots of guys love them.  They are not made anymore and the only place I know to find them is Jackals Gym (the Gillingham bros.).  the one I have is the Grey one and for me it is fine I couldn't imagine needing the thicker one for what I do... but then again I can't DL 700lbs or throw a LWFD 85+ feet.  Maybe at that point the 2mm would matter.
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Not sure on the stones, Craig.  I just didn't like it, so I don't wear it.  Now, I think it's more pyschological than anything ... habits. 
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A bunch of gliders (shot) wear belts; I've never seen a spinner with one.  Makes sense I guess.
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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Originally posted by ROB EVANS ROB EVANS wrote:

what about PL squat briefs? some come over your abdomen. no jokes please :)


No way you could compete in a pair of todays type briefs, and if you wanted them to stay up you'd have to belt them anyway.

I did; however, compete a full season in single ply power pants when I tore my hip flexor.  It worked. 

I am not an expert by any means but back in my PL days the gear was extremely tight.  I was wondering if maybe you buy something a little less restrictive a couple of sizes larger.  but i see your point about having to belt it any way. 

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If Spencer Tyler is the gamma bomb of explosion, you and I are like single-serving flan cups in his lunchbox. Pasty, Jiggly, Delicious, but otherwise not very explosive. DUNCAN MCCALLUM
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Old Dude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/16/11 at 12:07pm
I generally loosen my belt when I throw the hammers.

Can't get that good Highlands Hula going when I'm all laced up.
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OK, I just bought a Tommy Kono waist wrap.  It's about 1/3rd the price of the Rehband.  It doesn't look like it's constructed in as sophisticated a manner as the Rehband, but  the neoprene is pretty darned thick.   I won't have it for this weekend, but that's OK.  It looks like it's lot higher quality than the stuff marketed at Big 5, which was all aimed at "get rid of your belly fat"  rather than back support.

Last night after work I went out and strapped up with the 4 inch belt and did 6 hammer throws. It was fine, I even popped out two that were well over 80 feet, so that's good.  I'll be wearing it tomorrow  for hammer and weights and probably caber as well. 
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I wore the belt a lot on Sunday and it was a big help.  Sure, my back got tired by the end of the day, but big surprise. I had no significant pain, nor any loss of strength.  I took it off for sheaf, but wore it for everything else.  Excellent!
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The Tommy Kono waist band arrived, and I've actually got it on right now, just to see what it's like. I absolutely would wear this for any and all events.  It doesn't grab you like a weightlifting belt does, but just that little bit extra support is nice.... and no real compromise in range of motion that I can feel. 

Just my two cents and I know nothing, but if I had some sort of abdominal strain this would be a huge help.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AlDargie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 6/26/11 at 10:53am
Alan keep me posted as I am thinking about some sort of
core wrap. 2 weeks post comp and I still have some massive
bruising from that pull/rip.
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I have a Mueller neoprene belt from that evil giant Wal-mart that works well.
It similar to the Rehband and cost right around $20. I like it for HG, as it
gives a little compression and a support, but allows movement.
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Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:

The Tommy Kono waist band arrived, and I've actually got it on right now, just to see what it's like. I absolutely would wear this for any and all events.  It doesn't grab you like a weightlifting belt does, but just that little bit extra support is nice.... and no real compromise in range of motion that I can feel. 

Just my two cents and I know nothing, but if I had some sort of abdominal strain this would be a huge help.




When I tore both obliques last year I wore something similar, along with wrapping over top. 
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Originally posted by AlDargie AlDargie wrote:

Alan keep me posted as I am thinking about some sort of
core wrap. 2 weeks post comp and I still have some massive
bruising from that pull/rip.


I have to say that this thing is only $28....$32 with shipping and all that stuff and it's totally worth it.  You're not out a mint if you don't actually like it. It's simple, literally just a thick neoprene sleeve for your gut with a velcro closure. There's a lot of "give". However, it's MUCH wider than a standard weight belt, so it supports most of your abdomen.  The ONLY downside I can see to wearing this this on Game Day is that it's probably going to be pretty hot on a really warm day.

Seriously sweaty in 102 heat at Pleasanton....bleech. But otherwise, I see no real drawbacks.  If you're a little leery about strapping on a thick weight belt, try this.

See Craigs post, too.  Makes total sense to me.
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