Knock off WOB situation

Queen Mary is an SAAA games...I don't believe that is a rule anywhere that I'm aware of. I believe anything that clears a fixed bar is OK. Strange... The SHA uses a knock-off bar and will continue to do so, when you clear a height with a knock-off bar, there are no questions about it.

Sounds a bit off to me.  I've seen the implement hit the bar on knock-offs, but the bar doesn't fall.  That is considered a clear. 

But, that is also one of the charming aspects of the HG, local game . . . local rules.  Too bad we can't pull together and develop a governing body.  

Oh no he di'in't

Steve Conway wrote: Queen Mary is an SAAA games...I don't believe that is a rule anywhere that I'm aware of. I believe anything that clears a fixed bar is OK. Strange... The SHA uses a knock-off bar and will continue to do so, when you clear a height with a knock-off bar, there are no questions about it.

The SAAA updated/revised their rule set recently.  The New SAAA Rules were ratified by the SAAA Board of Directors on 12/22/12.  They can be seen by anyone at: http://magnicorps.com under “Updates and Current News”.

Here is the excerpt regarding Height Events:

3. Conduct of the Height Events, Weight Over Bar and Sheaf Toss.

• Standards similar to those used in the pole vault should be used. Two configurations are allowed:

i.                 Knock-off bar: The crossbar should sit on pins that extend perpendicularly from the uprights; the crossbar should not be attached to the uprights, so that if the implement hits the bar it will generally be knocked off. If the implement goes over the bar, the attempt is good whether or not it hits the bar provided the bar is not knocked off the pins.

ii.               Fixed bar: The crossbar is physically attached to the uprights so that if the weight hits the bar it will remain in position. If the implement goes over the bar then the attempt is good. In the sheaf toss the implement may hit the bar. In the Weight for height the implement must not hit the bar. Doing so counts as a knocked off bar.

  

So it would appear that they conducted the event in accordance to their current rule set. 

That being said, it appears that this new SAAA rule is exclusive to SAAA sanctioned games, and not something practiced at the numerous non-SAAA West Coast games.

That rule change is strange at best...I don't get it? If the implement just "ticks" the bar is that ok? A slight "kiss"? A "whisper"? I'd refuse to judge the event under that dumbass rule. Carlos, yes the implement Going over the bar is a "make" in fixed or knock-off BUT I've seen any number of cases where the corner of the implement catches the bar and pulls it down 6" or more enabling the rest of it to roll over the bar. I'll stick with the knock-off...I wonder what pole-vault and high jump would look like with a fixed bar :-)

In the Weight for height the implement must not hit the bar. Doing so counts as a knocked off bar.

If that isn't the stupidest thing I've heard, it is certainly in the top three.

True...but that falls into the luck category, it's still a dumb rule :-) Take a look at "how to measure" in the new SAAA rules, I don't think you wrote it that way either. " If you can't find the center of the trig use the plant foot"

Borges wrote: We find ourselves in violent agreement.

haha   I like this.  I will be using it

Over officious judging.  Someone wanting to be more involved seems the reason for the insane rule change.  Is it now like tennis with a judge with his finger on the net/bar?  And with all respect to the esteemed Carlos and Steve, the knockoff slows down the game and is a bummer for all, athletes, people watching and the poor slob that has to put it back up each time.  I think there is more luck involved w a knockoff.  If they want a rule change, and speed up the game, how about you chug a beer for every miss in WOB.  Or even better, do that on sheaf, by the time we get to WOB we are all happy happy happy. 

Myles,

Myles, "crowd killers" , surely you must be thinking of the athlete that wanders off looking for the bathroom, or the one who forgets his place in the rotation and is busy talking to friends, or maybe the one who can't get his tacky or tape just right, or paces back and forth getting his focus just right... Back in the day, we used long poles with forks on them to reset the bar each time, that was really slow. Especially when the poor helpers were staring into the sun trying to find the uprights. By omitting the sheaf altogether, you can get to the beer tent earlier :-)

I take issue with the anti-horseplay clause. I support the rights of all horses to play.

I have came across a couple of games over here where if it clinks the bar its not counted. Lets put it this way if you get it over and it doesnt clink then you know you have cleared it. Knock off is quite simple it falls it doesnt count. On a fixed anything goes I have seen some dodgy clearances given. As long as the rules are given before you start there isnt a problem.

Since we are on the Subject of QM, anyone want to discuss the numerous safety issues?