Flat trajectory on wfd .....HELP!

On wfd , when I release I have no arch . Playing back video it all looks like a line drive . When the  56 hits the ground it bounces another 6 ft and 10 or so for the 28 "and on soft ground". This tells me I have alot more footage left on my throws if I can correct this problem . At the field where I throw there is a hill with a sudden steep climb about 65 or so deg . I am thinking about throwing against this hill at the begining of wfd practice to see how far UP the hill I can get it . I believe this might help get me in the habbit of pulling from the hole and putting arch on it . Has anyone else had or have this problem . Any suggestions would be great .

Look for the heavy right hand and straining lifting left leg at release - you know the difference as soon as you do it right. Comes from being about 6 inches lower like Wayne says.

look up when you release. try a higher caste and higher and lower orbit
through the throw.

Actually Will is correct,casting it higher is not really a "band aid" approach in highland games weights,unless just about every top pro has put a band aid on their technique.

Vierra high cast
Overfelt  high cast
Brock stupid high cast
Bailey high cast

this aint track and discus throwers tend to throw the weights like crap until they figure out to cast it in higher and let the weight do the work.  Ask Titanium man on this one he will tell you if he would have thrown weights like the pros do today he would have thrown ten feet further.

yeah I agree that a high cast helps, ken lowther comes to mind when i think of a guy who threw far but could have thrown farther in the weights especially earlier in his career if he would have fixed his cast......now with that said if you cast high you must have the ability to sit and hold the position with your legs similiar to a hammer thrower countering the cast. Ken was super stroong and threw far with his technique but I think he had to work harder at it because the weight was not allowed to do what it should have (in my opinion) If you cast high and are straight legged then your center of gravity is too high and the weight will control you.  I was a somewhat discus thrower at one time and i threw without a descent cast for a while, but then I started playing around with the cast and the sit and pivot and keeping the thighs tight and it started to take off.  A discus is light and will naturally go through a pendulum motion with the sprint phase of the throw but the weights require a lil bit of help..we are talking about a twenty or fifty pound difference in the implements. 

All of this is relative and I hope it helps.

Brock

1 : one of the hereditary social classes in Hinduism that restrict the occupation of their members and their association with the members of other castes

transitive verb 1 a : to cause to move or send forth by throwing <cast a fishing lure> <cast dice>

 

kthxbye.

Still, high marks for "emulate".

now I gotta try it.

  Wow , It feels like Christmas has come  early this year . What a Who's  who of responses . Thanks guys !  I was able to take advantage of the weather yesterday and throw . I tried several of your suggestions . I tried casting a little higher to start . I found out very quickly what casting to high will do . It felt like I was gonna be pulled through the ground when it bottomed out . It did feel though starting w/ a higher cast "shoulder level"set me up correctly and carried over to pull higher into the sprint better and so on . I felt the biggest difference in the lightweight . When I hit the power position I popped my head up "somthing I was also not doing ,"pulled and the weight  ripped out of my hand way to the right and about went in the creek !Anyway after measuring it was a pr by about 2ft . I believe if I could have held on it would have been a massive Pr. But I think thats was the feeling Baab was talking about . Mr. Baron my left foot is actually about a foot in front of my Right upon releasing . Could this cause an early release? Anyway something else to work on also . I think after I work a little more my timing I'll be better w/ the 56 and I will see higher numbers there as well .

Again thanks to all !

I have been toying with the idea of throwing WFD over the height standard.Then I move either the standard up or away from the trig.Maybe too simple but it works for me.(five ft PR in four sessions)
LB

Something that Josh Grace told me that helped, was to think about casting the weight towards something that's off your shoulder.

OK, that makes no sense, try again.  This will be for a right handed thrower....

Stand at the back of the trig, facing in the direction you're going to throw that lump of iron.  At twelve o clock is the direction you're throwing. Six o'clock is straight behind you.  Nine o'clock is directly off your left side.

OK, so find something...a tree, a post, something that's at about 10:30 - 11:00.  Think about casting towards that object.  That will tend to make you cast in a circle, rather than throwing the weight out in front of you, or just swinging it from side to side.

The other thing that has helped me stop throwing line drives is just an echo of what everybody else has said...Bend those knees, stay low.  I know that myself, I need to somewhat exaggerate this in practice, I'm never as low as I think I am!  It's easy to start the first turn low, but it's also easy to stand up in the middle, and then you're hosed...you gave it all away. So the goal is to start the first turn low, and *stay low* until you hit the position midway through the second turn.

Or so say this rather mediocre  Geezer thrower. Anyway, this is what's helped me.

Coach Mac wrote: 3) IF the wt passes yourbelly button (COM) on the cast your left side can relax and move FASTER  because you are UN-weighted.

Greg is the closest Ive seen for waiting this long or it seems that way.

www.youtube.com/user/ImplementThrowing#p/u/81/sFXgyoGNrKg



Implementhrowing on youtube.com

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brBv6aNitnU

The best learning and awe striking pro video on you tube.

Hey Greg SHUT IT !!

finally got a video camera that will upload to the computer . Heres some footage I shot today throwing the 28 &56 . I tried throwing up the sharp hill at the park concentrating on getting it further up the hill . Naturally the throws w/ the higher release went further up the hill . Here are the links . Any of you that could reveiw and give some feedback would be great . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg89sjrythg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-gddk9i0sU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYWtXhZDaB8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiOH-e64lns

You also seem to be very short and stump-like.  You might want to work on that.