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IRISHIRONMAN
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Topic: how to gain weight and keep cardio up?Posted: 10/06/09 at 11:08pm |
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Ive been lifting heavy and eating all the right stuff to gain mass and streinghth for the games but also running 1 mile a day as I want to keep up my cardio. (I also do stonelifting and know you need cardio to carry great weight any distance)problem is Between a fast metabalism and the cardio Im not gaining much weight and if i eat anymore ill burst! Suggestions?
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Posted: 10/06/09 at 11:40pm |
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Eat more often.
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Do you really need to run a mile in any strongman competition? A mile a day is A LOT and more like a distance athlete's training. I'd seriously consider cutting that back to 'maybe' three times a week. Now if running is your high, that's something different, but I HATE running and usually have to be dragged screaming the whole way. Also, what kind/how much lifting are you doing? You could be doing too much of that too...yes it is possible. Wayne's got a point on the eating...how many times do you eat a meal each day? (meal = protein/carbs/fats >600cals) I am definitly what was termed a 'hard gainer' most of my life. I only broke 200lbs body weight when I was 25...I only broke 230lbs bw at 39. It happens. But breaking your meals up to more times a day will make the bulk easier to deal with. Another reason I suggest lowering the running is recovery time. Your body needs DAYS of recovery in a lifting week. Not hours. |
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Posted: 10/07/09 at 2:34am |
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I hate running to but im on the fire list and have to stay in reasonable shape w/cardio because they could call me up at any time but i could cut it down to 3 times i just have to be ABLE to run a mile if im called lol. im doin deadlifts,clean and jerk,shrugs,dumbbell snatch,shoulder press and bench oh and curl. I am havin long recovery I need 4 sometimes 5 days to recover. I will try to eat more often it,s a little tough w/work im eating 3 sometimes 4 times now? |
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Posted: 10/07/09 at 2:53am |
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this is disussed in this thread http://www.nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=958 9&PN=1
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4 and sometimes 5 days to recover seems like a lot. Maybe if I go for a max lift I'll need a while to recover but at the same time I'll still be doing other lifts. I'd be stale if I only lifted every 4-5 days. Don't tell me you only lift every 4-5 days, that may be why you aren't getting any bigger. And eat a lot and get enough rest for good recovery. |
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ya im definatly eating and gettin good sleep reallly sore and drained for at least 3 days afterwards even w/tons of liquid and ibuprofen didnt want to overtrain because i lifted every other day before and didnt grow freinds said i was overtrained take longer between gym days? Im fairly new to heavylifting lifted for boxing but that was lower weight high reps which i could do every other day no sweat?
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If you're new to heavy lifting, I doubt you're overtrained unless it's from all the running. Is it you're just sore for a couple days? That'll go away after you get back into it. But if you wait long to lift again because you're just sore, you'll only turn around and make yourself sore again with the DOMS. Lift a few times whether you're sore or not and get over it. There are times when I am sore as hell from heavy squats and the next day I will do lighter weight squats for high rep just for the purpose of helping get over that soreness.
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so hair of the dog great ill give it a try thanks brother. |
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Uhm...I agree with Travis' post but not your interpretation (if I got it right). I lift three days a week now that off season...1)Heavy Legs, 2)Heavy Upper Body, 3)Fast/Lighter all body. That gives me one day inbetween and two days between 3 and 1. My legs will definitely still be sore when I get to upper body and my upper body will be sore when I get to whole body. Then two days off. But...'hair of the dog' would imply that you should do squats one day and get right back at legs the next...I would not recommend that at all. Travis is most likely doing range of motion (ROM) stuff to stretch out legs and get blood flow into remove lactic acid. I doubt he is 'training' legs again...(but maybe he is more of a beast than I know). Also you may need to address your rep/set ranges. (This came up in the deadlift thread just now.) You really may not want to be going to full and totall failure every workout. You need lots of regular lift days (say for a pump or sweat) then some max days (say to nausea) [LOL...ok that last may just apply to me..:^)] We are all shooting in the dark here. If you post your schedule...lifts, runs, food, etc it would be more helpful. Good Luck |
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Yep. And every once in a while if I have to because something comes up, (like this week I have to leave town for a funeral,) I will lift back to back day to get my week's work in. Its tough but then those few days when I'm away from lifting are spent recouperating. So I hit squats on monday, did some overhead work and benched yesterday and will do my usual friday deadlift day tonight. |
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yes ive been goin to max everytime trying to build streighth quickly (i know what you mean about nausea ive litterly worked till i puked twice lol)it,s been working for streighth ive gone up 10-20 lbs. per workout per exercise havnt platued yet(i realy need to download that spellchecker)last workout was clean and jerks,shrugs,deadlifts,dumbell snatch,curls,wrist curls,shoulder press,crunches and 1 mile run . been eating oatmeal,egg whites,banana and carnation instant breakfast for well breakfast then-lunch peanut butter,almond butter,banana sandwich and yogurt-dinner rare steak and piles of buttery mashed -then 9pm bowl of ziti w/olive oil put carbs on for the next day. pretty much the same everyday. |
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Posted: 10/07/09 at 8:18am |
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You need to eat more, see the other thread about 190 pounders. |
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Posted: 10/07/09 at 8:34am |
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I am not endorsing any of the ideas or suggestions in this article, and it is not the route I would take, but it seems exactly on point. JM Blakely was a member of the Westside crew.
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Posted: 10/07/09 at 8:47am |
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Dude...how long were you in the gym?!?! Clean and Jerk, Deads, Snatch?!?! All in one work out? That is not max effort...that is max endurance. Completely different. |
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About 2 and a half hours? im doin 2 5rep sets w/little rest between sets because ive no patience for sitting around between sets. think i should break it up into 2days?
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H'mmmm....I always get the feeeling that most of the un-initiated are following the path made popular in the late 1950's-and 60's in the USA that MORE is better ? I quess I should make a post called : STOP the INSANITY !!! We have some modern warriors on here that they have to be either independantly wealthy (based on there projected medical bills The crazy thing to me is that it seems to mostly SELF INDUCED ? The throwers at the college level with a training age of 4-6 years do 9 lifts a WEEK ( 3 too failure) and this is producing 30-40LB increases in speed lifts (snatch/clean) increased speed and jumping ability every 6-weeks with NO injuries . We do run hills (forwards and backwards= leg work) as well as do a ton of release movements with heavy hammers and wts (= pulls) as well as HEAVY ( 25-35-lb SHots ) so its ADJUNCT Training for throws . |
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Sorry Coach, I have no idea what you just said. Irish...you are training like an endurance athlete. You are not training like a power athlete. You will have to make your own choices here. 2.5 hours in the gym on every work out is way too much for power/strength. I have read of some strong ('natural') people that get everything done in 45 minutes or so. I tend to take just over an hour because I USE up a lot of rest time between 2-3 minutes. I use that much time because of sport specificity...I have never had to throw again in under 2 minutes in Highland Games. (Even when I am on my third attempt and no one else is (thanks A's at backyard games :-/) then I will still take a minute to catch my breath.) So taking the food advice and the lifting stuff....you are eating for what you weigh now and you are lifting like an endurance athlete. You saw all those gaines as a 'begginer' in this kind of workout. Everyone gets lots of good gains at start. It takes smarts and planning to continue gains in long run. You will need to figure out what your goals in gym/sports/life really are. If you want to be a highland games/strength athlete you need to do the following.... 1) Get a real power lift workout (Learn difference between max effort and endurance....low sets, low reps and still feeling like puke...about 1hr in gym...etc etc.) This is all very generic, but there are LOTS of specifics all over this forum, just search for them and there are lots of guys that are better than me....bigger than me....and stronger than me. (I just have degrees in this stuff so think I know it all... |
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What Coach said is right, it is intensity that builds muscle, not volume. Don't work long, work hard, go home and eat and rest up and do it again.
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Well crafted summation Coach Mac. No question, it is self iuced. By the way your thoughts on German volume training which I had the pleasure of using when it migrated to the USA in the late 70's ( or sooner) My experience was with the 10x10 back squat with very strict recovery (90 seconds) same weight x2 per week with mininal jumps in wt. over a 3 month period. This was coupled with hi-rep step ups, hi-hurdle bounding and yoke running up a 45 degree hill approx. 20 yards. The throwing was done with heavy implements 18 and 20 full rotations and 22 for standing drills. Anyways, your thoughts as I'am considering this routine. I would include alot of heavy hammer winds, kb/pud release movements, wt fr dist. turning drills with a 35 and 70 lb kb and shot drills/full throws with an 18. |
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Here's how I approach things now in the off-season, after dozens of injuries and also a lot of success at building size and strength:
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wow!!! lots to learn Though I must say- at the Ocala games there were a few lean muscular guys killing it. And there we ALOT of big guys that weren't. "technique in the throw" SEEMED, from my inexperienced eyes, to be more critical than bruit power. continuing to read Todd |
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well i have a lot more information i,ll have to go thru it all and find the common themes but i think i get the gist lift heavier,break all those exercises up into 2-3 other workouts,eat a lot more and stay active rom ect. on the off days. thanks everyone appreciate all the advice.
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I THINK I MIGHT START DOING THAT FROM NOW ON TOO. |
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Simple question to answer before you get into anything else... What are you? Are you a thrower, a strongman, or a runner? You can't be great at all 3. If you want to be an "also ran" then continue training for all 3 and accept the position...if you want to be a top athlete focus on one and train for that alone. Good Luck with the training. Erik |
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Technique is huge in a few of the throws. Technique helps in some others. (In my experience.) As for the skinny guys...(CHAD!)...do not doubt that they are strong. Strong does NOT equal big. In fact the stronger you can be...at the lightest weight you can be...would make you the better competitor because you are moving less weight total...but with the strength to move the implement. On some throws where brute strength helps...then some of the skinnier guys do have to rely on technique to keep up. I just watched a couple of novices in St Louis with massive strength an no technique ( So you got it right...there are tons of posts on here about technique too. |
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Tell me the guy in the red shorts is not strong...3 x body weight! https://store.sorinex.com/Articles.asp?ID=163 Maybe I should fine tune that for the pedantics? ps....and Chad G is an AWESOME thrower...but not the biggest...just built right. There's a pro for the non-beefy throwers. |
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