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    Posted: 12/15/06 at 6:09am
100 jumpropes......split front jerks ( I figured out if I put my right foot back a foot , it eliminates all knee pain!!!) 5,4,3,2,1 - finished up w. 288 single - was easy goin' up next time..........straight to 18" deads - 5 singles - 374,418,484,550,600 (most I've picked up in awhile!)I watched a World's Strongest Man video on youtube and got all jacked to move some heavy sh*t..........and here's the meat......8 triples front squats to a 1 foot box followed immediately by 3 plyo jumps on a 36" box - one minute apart........was a test of guts - wanted to quit around set #6...I used 263 so I could move the bar w. some explosion (get heels off the ground)and not wind up on my ass on set #8.......followed by Sorinex 3 x12........Hammer bench 5 x2 ....took 1 hour and 15 minutes.......snorted protein and layed down and watched my thighs grow....293lbs this morning......hehehehe...go getcha some boys!!!
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Mike,

When you are doing your squats down to a box, are you using the box as a means to get down to a consistent depth each rep and exploding up as soon as you touch the box, or are you doing "box squats" where you actually sit right down on the box before exploding up again?  Just curious, as those are two very different things.

Also, how do you find the front squats after the partial deads?  Better than back squats obviously, but still! 

Love the alternating sets of front squats and plyo jumps.  Stuff like that will make you (even more) POWERFUL. 

Please keep posting your workouts, as they are interesting and inspirational, although I still think most of us would be better served by dividing any one of your workouts into two separate workouts!

BTW, what's your goal for the open stone (16-17 lb.) in 2007? 

 



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P- Box is for consistent depth - sit down box squats are highly compressive IMO....these 8 x 3 fronts were done w. a lighter weight so I could still move fast and focus on the box plyo jumps (speed after the heavy deads)- I felt very explosive ! Going to the 48' box next time - NOT while fronting - that high gets scary. Wasn't a problem after the hvy deads 'cause it was just 5 rip snorter singles...any more and it would make for a crappy front day. I'm sore as shit core/thigh wise - recommended!   Stone PR is 47' something - I would be happy to get back to that - in the master world, anything over 40' is great.Good training.

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BAAB,  Go 50 and get it over with, you got it in ya.  The Stewart can do it.......

The key is getting lighter stones 14lbers to go far in practice.  If you can throw a 14# stone 50 in practice you can throw a 16 that far in a comp.

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Originally posted by M-BAAB M-BAAB wrote:

Going to the 48' box next time - NOT while fronting - that high gets scary... I'm sore as shit core/thigh wise - recommended!  

I don't want to change the subject from your killer workout, but I have an interesting/funny story re high box jumps that might illustrate a point.

When I was very young and very fit and very energetic (that is, a long time ago), a couple of us did jumps onto a very high box - I can't recall the exact height but it was at least 48" and probably higher.  Because it was so high for us at the time, we often ended up in a full ATG squat position on the top of the box.  Great workout, no problems. 

However, when I woke up the very next morning and tried to get out of bed I literally let out a scream of pain and had to roll off the bed and get up off the floor because my lower abs were so incredibly sore.  It took me a few minutes to figure out why, because my abs were very strong and very well-trained at that time and we hadn't done anything unusual for abs during the previous workout.  Then I realized that the high box jumps required me to bring my legs up very quickly and powerfully, bringing the lower abs into play in a big way.  My quads were fairly sore too, of course, but that didn't surprise me.

I spoke to my training partner the next day and he told me he had had exactly the same experience, scream and all.  It was days before our abs were back to normal.

I have since read that you really should not use a box height that requires you to land in a below parallel squat position, mostly for other reasons I am sure.  These are a great workout for explosiveness but one to start out slowly with, especially for older, heavier, or less flexible guys.

 

 



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Roy - the Stewart has got me clued in on the lighter stone thing...and I know I'm too deliberate in my spin...looking for psycho speed this year............P- Been there  - been doing Russian twists this year so this didn't hurt my gut at all.

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Originally posted by Roy Bouge Roy Bouge wrote:

The key is getting lighter stones 14lbers to go far in practice.  If you can throw a 14# stone 50 in practice you can throw a 16 that far in a comp.

Speed baby Speed.

 

I have to agree...I never train with a stone over 17 lb. They are usually under 16 lbs. and just an odd shape.



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M-B, hows the recovery from those partials? I don't think my lower back can handle the big partials anymore.  Four" OFF the platform is my limit. 

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18/21 (IF HE HAD SPUN)  I really have next to no lobak soreness - must be 2 weeks of Timmermans and Pulcinellas. It was fun really - JUST YANK!!! I'm sure from the floor would wipe out the lobak for awhile. Beef in KC.
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Originally posted by M-BAAB M-BAAB wrote:

18/21 (IF HE HAD SPUN) 

He won't do it.  He'll go 21+ STANDING.



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 M.B.- I'm throwing the 56 until KC .  Need a 16' @ 45 plus to SECURE a membership with the Silverbacks .  Sun line-up (TEST DAY) standing 35 LB MED BALL FOR HT., STIFF LEG DEADs 405X10, HURDLE JUMPS X3 @ 36" OVER 10' FOR TIME and 18 lb SHOT STANDING ( NO REVERSE ) .  Timm/Pulc- it appears your training for the standing wt over the bar.  It's good to have ya back. 

PS - Did the Timmermans from the bottom position @120 w/ the SAFETY SQUAT BAR , 3x10 - YOU WANT SOME BIG STRONG HIPS , THESE WILL DO IT.  If UT has the 5' ss bar try it - a bit more control.    

 

 

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Mr. B....I LOVE your intensity and FOCUS . As you go HIGHER and HIGHER
towards reaching the envelope of HIGH-PERFORMANCE it's really a matter of
MAINTAINING this level and just "tweaking" the system to allow you too
perform at a very HIGH-LEVEL.

I love the fact that you and the post 40-somethings are using this too
motivate yourseleves ect. and I'm sure after playing professional sports...you
CAN'T perform IF your HURT or INJURED !!!

I KNOW that most of the post 30-year olds on the world-class track and
field circuit are asking HOW to maintain these high-levels WITHOUT getting
injured. It really a matter of thinking that sometimes less is MORE !!!
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Coach Mac- learned from Markie Valenti that dropping below 80% of peak makes the climb back up too difficult(or impossible) - especially for masters - couple of times a year you can push to the 100% for something big , then back off and recover to the 80%. I've spent last year doing more 80% workouts more often and didn't improve. This year it's a 100% workout followed by another WHEN I'M RECOVERED - not before. For example , after that last workout(Thursday) I will do some driveway speed work today(Sunday) focusing on the jumpshrugs and snatches-gonna shock body w. something completely different. I'm getting muscle growth in my thighs/torso like I haven't seen since the '90's - I guess it takes brutal 100% workouts followed by adequate rest to continue to grow after 40+.And you've gotta have a very strong BACK-OFF BUTTON that you push at the first sign of "approaching pain/overtraining" - because injuries after 40 can kill a whole season...............The Stewart - I have always stood for 56 wob - I'm only a 42 spinner (and I started spinning to TRY and find  way to beat you at something- so it's really your fault all along)- One of my goals this year is to scare hell out of 16' and join you and the Hack up there in that club.Pulls/Timm's are gonna be the path - plus, they just make me feel springy/athletic. Throwing the 56 is the best training for ripping hell outa a 42 - feels like a BB....How did those hurdle jumps feel on the knee? I'm gonna stick w. the jump up/step back down to save knee joints -  I do a little hop before jumping up on box to keep the stretch reflex working.Walked by the garage yesterday and started to get that "It's time to throw something" feeling ................................ Did Wee Willie's 3 x 10 hammer winds each way yesterday to loosen up/active rest my poor core after all those fronts - I suggest all us Am's do this - the effort involved in making yourself wind the WRONG way and stay relaxed w. decent form made winding the RIGHT way feel easy. Recommended.

 

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M-B the left knee @ 90 % , as a result the jumping / landing progressing .If I can land on the balls of my feet I move it up.  I love being a fat old white guy who can jump. I think Myles is the only 45 er w/ a 16 plus- WR.  The 56 #'s used to be posted on the Scottish Master's .  Need the strength-speed as opposed to the speed -strength to go 16 plus again.

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That is what we need, all the top people giving Mike more ideas on training as he is not gifted enough by god.  You said you loved me Roy.  And he spins, is that not enough Don? 

I know McGoldrick is legendry, but as soon as his record was broken they quit keeping it.  Was that bad? 

17' on my mind.  Shooting at Shammy for it.  Mike has me fired up, Fronts, cleans, partial fronts on the menu tonight, then some chick stuff. 

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I am not joking, I am wraped, amped and ready to squat and a kid walks in the gym and stands next to me chatting on his cell phone last night.  Two weeks ago it was another kid and I was pulling and the kid walks on the platform and stands near me.  There is a total break down of respect, rules and what is appropriate in the gym these days. 

Steve P. how do you handle this in your gym?  We need some education.

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I hear leaving the bodies where they fall is an excellent warning to others

Actually, that's not my style and I'll leave the professional answer to Steve.  I'd love to hear his answer though, because the same thing happened to me last week - two skinny guys stood about two feet away from the end of my bar talking for 10 minutes straight while I'm doing cleans.  I limited myself to a pointed look or two, but didn't do anything else as it would have been their problem if anything happened.

 



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I've run into this stuff while throwing in a games and lifting in the gym. The gym stuff is similar to what you guys mentioned. In the games it was always a judge, announcer, or helper standing in the "danger zone" by the trig. Like to my left when throwing the hammer or to my right when throwing the weights.

I would calmly tell them they should move and what may happen should I lose control while lifting or throwing. Many times they chose not to. I always saw it as an opportunity to work on my concentration and focus to not be distracted by their presence. I figured it would help in the games where you have hundreds or thousands of people watching you.

I always felt like it was my responsibility to warn them because they may be ignorant of what they're doing. Then, if I happened to lose control and cripple them I could stand over them and say, "Told you so."

Myles, we've never met, but from what I can picture of you working out, you have to be asking for "it" to stand there chatting on a phone. An old-timer that my Dad used to lift with years ago told me stories of lifting on the second floor of a place and chucking radios out the window of anyone dumb enough to use one while he was training.

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Myles,

Had a similar episode last week.  Got tired of the basement for a night and after I finished my cleans (no gyms have bumbers around here) I went to the local gym for some bright lights, front squats, deads and Vierra core crushers.  While doing the core crushers I had to stop mid-movement several times to keep from smacking the chronics in the head as they walked real close.  Really breaks the movement up and if there weren't mirrors everywhere they would have got a smack without me knowing they were there.

Merry Christmas to you and the family by the way.  God Bless!

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