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Jay Holloway 
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 Topic: Whats best??Posted: 4/30/12 at 2:33pm |
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I train on Nautilus machines. I gain strength but I don't seem to have the explosiveness to go to the next level in distances and heights. Would switching to Olympic style lifting help with this or should I just add something else such as plyometrics to help with this? I am a 2nd year thrower in the Masters Division. I think switching may help with some form issues I'm having also it seems that WOB is essentially much like a clean. Any ideas??
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Mountain Man
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Posted: 4/30/12 at 2:55pm |
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Do some searching on the site. Your questions have been addressed before with some great thorough answers and information provided.
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Posted: 4/30/12 at 2:57pm |
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And to answer your question of what is best:
1. Crush your enemies 2. See them driven before you 3. Hear the Lamentations of the women. |
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Robin Walker
"The danger in life is not to set a goal too high and never reach it, but to set a goal too low and reach it." GSP quoting Michaelangelo |
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Jay Holloway
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Posted: 4/30/12 at 2:57pm |
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I will thanks
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Posted: 4/30/12 at 3:36pm |
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keep in mind, what I am about to say is based ENTIRELY on personal preference: Olympic lifts all the way. Machines are a little safer but I have found I get better results with Freeweights. So in My opinion if you have the choice go with Oly lifts. besides that, I can't think of any machines that replicate the Power Clean (although that doesn't mean that one doesn't exist). with that in mind, machines do have their place in the gym, I know people who would swear by machines.
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Jay Holloway
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Posted: 4/30/12 at 10:22pm |
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THe safety issue is what got me started with the machines. However when I started I was just lifting as part of a weight loss program not training for HG. Thanks for the input.
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Sean
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I'm going to be the contrarian here and tell you to go easy on the olifts a little. If you're already masters you're late to the games. Nothing wrong with that. If you were part of a weight loss program, I'm going to make the assumption that there were a number of years of completely sedentary behavior too.
Which means your connective tissue is NOT going to like a sudden pounding. If all you've been training with is machines, you need to adapt to free weights in general before you start messing with the olifts.
Work your basics:
Squat (front, preferably)
Deadlift
OHP
Good core/ab work (not crunches. Not EVER crunches)
Jim Wendler's 531 is a great place to start (or end, in some of our cases ;)). Once your body has adapted to THOSE movements, your form is good and you're moving some decent weight, then you can get into your high pulls, push presses, bands, chains and all that other goodness.
You need a base. For the physical integrity end of things if nothing else.
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C. Smith
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Posted: 5/01/12 at 1:37am |
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^^ HUGE +1.
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mthompson33
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^^^ What they said... AND... When Wendler says don't push your weights up too quickly. LISTEN! That and learn as much as you can about Mobility, Pre-hab, Foam Rolling, etc. You NEED to spend more time doing this than actually lifting (and I need to follow my own advice...)
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Sean
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Posted: 5/01/12 at 4:03am |
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Oh and I just noticed the plyometrics thing. No. A thousand times, no. Most plyo work you see people doing is idiocy anyway and even more than the olifts, you need some armour to handle it.
Want to get faster? Do the above as mentioned and then find yourself a nice, short hill. Run up it. Walk down. Run up it. Rinse and repeat.
When you've at least hit intermediate lifter status, you can open the big boy locker and get some of the toys out. But you aren't a kid. You can't toss an old body into high demand work without modifying that body to at least withstand the normal wear and tear damage.
Go slow. Teach your body to move and get stronger.
And don't try to throw FURTHER. Try to throw RIGHT. Further will follow.
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Posted: 5/01/12 at 6:07am |
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I learned (and am still learning) this ^ the hard way. The more you learn to throw correctly, the sooner the distances will come, then the weight training will start to kick in and push the distances even farther. Learn and practice the throwing techniques (some advice that I, too, should follow).
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Brian Ely
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Came for the Conan the Barbarian quote, leaving satisfied.
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Jay Holloway
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Posted: 5/02/12 at 7:57am |
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Thanks for the info guys, I am working on my technique and I know that the distances will come. I am in good shape physically and the joints are in good strong shape due to the work I do, but I can see the wisdom in taking it slower when it comes to moving into the free weights. I know there is alot to technique to lifting properly and you probably saved me an injury by reminding me what I already know. At 46 I sometimes think that I am still 10 feet tall and bullet proof.
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