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Well...   I can see how I caused some confusion...

That last line should read: "What should I be striving for in REGARDS to foot position when I land the LWFD sprint?"

Help?  Anyone?    
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I'd say, unless you are a hella athlete or have a lot of years of T&F throwing behind you, that it probably pays off to spend your first few months throwing single spin LWFD and HWFD. Everything you learn during that time will apply to the two-spins.

at age 49-50 it took me two full seasons, two and a half really, to get to the point where I was throwing LWFD anything like consistantly at 40 feet. Honest.   I started out throwing two spins and it's only been the last two seasons that I actually drilled single spins. NOW my singles are 44+ usually.  Man, if I'd started out getting good singles, I'd have gotten to 40 feet a WHOLE lot quicker.
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Originally posted by Greg York Greg York wrote:

I've been doing line drills.

I'm new to the sport, and trying to learn from videos and
just being conscientious.

Recently I've been paying attention to these things - do
I land each rotation stable, am I low, and am I centered
back over the right (that's articulated in one of Vierra
videos) and now I'm starting to pay attention to my feet
as a read on my rotation and position.   

My problem is this - watching the videos, I find it hard
to get a read on foot position at the end of each move in
the line drills.

Here's what I'm doing...   To keep it simple, I'm
focusing solely on the right.

First rotation - I land with right foot at 9:00.

Second rotation - I tend to land with right foot at
10:30. When I work to get the right foot at 9:00 I get
some good separation that feels similar to some of the
better throws, but, frankly, I'm new enough that I'm
still overwhelmed by all the movement when doing full
throws and can't really pinpoint small movements while
throwing. Good throws are still just a happy mystery.

Since I only get 3 foot more distance out of a double
rotation than a single rotation, I suspect I'm leaving a
lot on the table in that sprint/rotation movement.

What should I be striving for in regardless to foot
position?
 
I've read this 4 times and I just can't figure out what you're talking about. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to sound like a dick. Typically, when you refer to times on a clock in relation to the throwing area, the front of the throwing area is 12:00. and the back is 6:00. So when you say your right foot lands at 9, you're facing the back of the throwing area. Your right foot needs to land at 6. Typically I land "closed off", so my left foot is around 12:30-1 and my right is at 6:00 on my first. On my second I land open so my right is at 6 and my left is at 11-11:30.

The **biggest** part of the throw is the finish (IMO). Your first turn can be perfect, the sprint can be there, but if you don't finish and just allow the weight to swight around you and out you're losing feet. There is a 4-5 ft difference in my throws when I screw up my finish. You need to land with your hips low and shift your weight forward so that you are activily forcing the weight out into the field and not just letting it go. I hope that makes sense. Whether you're doing 1 turns or fulls, the finish needs to be there or you're just going to lose lots of distance. A drill I do to work my finish is standing throws. These teach me how to really get up onto my left foot and throw it out into the field. It gets your comfortable with the orbit and getting into positions and it teaches you the timing for when to shift your weight forward and prepare for explosion.
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Originally posted by jsully jsully wrote:

 
I've read this 4 times and I just can't figure out what you're talking about. I'm sorry, I'm not trying to sound like a dick.

:D Noted!   Hate being the clueless n00b, but clueless-n00b-I-am.  Thanks for hanging in there and slinging a reply.  I suspect I confused the hell out of everyone.   

Quote Typically, when you refer to times on a clock in relation to the throwing area, the front of the throwing area is 12:00. and the back is 6:00. So when you say your right foot lands at 9, you're facing the back of the throwing area. Your right foot needs to land at 6. Typically I land "closed off", so my left foot is around 12:30-1 and my right is at 6:00 on my first. On my second I land open so my right is at 6 and my left is at 11-11:30.

Ok, I'm confused about back and front.   Let's try pictures!  

\Throwing Area/
   \                /
          12

   9               3

            6

Here's what I do....
  • Starting facing 12.  
  • Landing at First: right at 3, left at 12-ish.
  • Landing at Second: right at 6, left at 2:00-ish.
Here's what I thought I should be doing after watching line drill videos...
  • Starting facing 12
  • First: right at 3, left at 1
  • Second: right at 3, left at 1
The line drill videos led me to think I should be pulling the right foot past 6 to create more torque and separation at the hips.    It's freaking hard to pull that off.  

Welcome to my world and the joys of vicarious learning.

Quote The **biggest** part of the throw is the finish (IMO). Your first turn can be perfect, the sprint can be there, but if you don't finish and just allow the weight to swight around you and out you're losing feet. There is a 4-5 ft difference in my throws when I screw up my finish. You need to land with your hips low and shift your weight forward so that you are activily forcing the weight out into the field and not just letting it go. I hope that makes sense. Whether you're doing 1 turns or fulls, the finish needs to be there or you're just going to lose lots of distance. A drill I do to work my finish is standing throws. These teach me how to really get up onto my left foot and throw it out into the field. It gets your comfortable with the orbit and getting into positions and it teaches you the timing for when to shift your weight forward and prepare for explosion.
I think I understand this.   I see it in various video described as "block" and "Hip pop".  I practice that block/pop in standing throws with a 15lb kettlebell (my pud).  But of course, I practice that movement from the starting position matching my line drills.  I.e. Right at 3:00, Left at 1:00-ish.   

If 6:00 is a fine landing position, it seems like I should practice those standing throws starting with the right at 6:00 and learn to whip that right foot and leg around.
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Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:

I'd say, unless you are a hella athlete or have a lot of years of T&F throwing behind you, that it probably pays off to spend your first few months throwing single spin LWFD and HWFD. Everything you learn during that time will apply to the two-spins.

at age 49-50 it took me two full seasons, two and a half really, to get to the point where I was throwing LWFD anything like consistantly at 40 feet. Honest.   I started out throwing two spins and it's only been the last two seasons that I actually drilled single spins. NOW my singles are 44+ usually.  Man, if I'd started out getting good singles, I'd have gotten to 40 feet a WHOLE lot quicker.

Thanks, Alan.   I have zilchoid T&F experience, and I'm way past athlete.  More of an athlost.

Despite being fat, graying and gimpy, I'm slinging 43's on singles and climbing past 46's on doubles and things are improving.   But, like in everything else, I'm prone to over thinking.   As the season starts and more folk are out throwing, I'll hunt down some coaching.
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Originally posted by Greg York Greg York wrote:


I'm slinging 43's on singles and climbing past 46's on doubles and things are improving.   But, like in everything else, I'm prone to over thinking.  


I like to keep a simple graph for the athletes that I coach that shows their improvement over time. Its nice to see the visual as a constant reminder that you are doing something right. If you're improving consistently, you must be doing something right. Stay in the groove. Whenever you feel yourself getting overly analytical or getting frustrated about technique remember that you are on a path that is taking you in the direction you want to go. If one day you look at your graph or your log and you see that you are on a path that is not leading where you want to go, then change will be required. This is what I believe most strongly.

Regarding foot position, I think it is most important, wherever your foot initially lands, that it turns. If it lands at 3 or somewhere between 3 and 6 it needs to turn to point towards 12 allowing your hips to open and to block against the left leg and hip.

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Good words, D.   I keep a spreadsheet.   In late August I accidentally threw a 42 in the midst of 36s and 37s.   Sometime in late Sept I accidentally threw a 45 in the midst of 41s and 42s.    Now the averages are up past 44, I'm hoping for a magical 48.   Is Hope an approved throwing strategy?

BTW: I think we had a brief exchange on the local Yahoo board.   

If you're still game for a get together some weekend, drop me a line.  I know from your logs that you're doin' something righter than I am.

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So I have been working on line drills and throwing a sorinex blaster weighing in at 17lbs to try to develop some rhythm and things seem to be improving. Still inconsistent but today I hit 46' (my PR) several times. I think Jake's advice about the finish is good too. I know I am failing to finish high on the stones and I video'd a couple throws today (had to talk the kid into doing it for me) and I think I am staning too high yet hunched when I release.

An example:
http://youtu.be/2l7wNt34NQU

Again I appreciate all the great feedback in this thread.
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Quite a back story you got there Creed!    Good to see you on your way back. 
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Originally posted by Lance Creed Lance Creed wrote:

So I have been working on line drills and throwing a sorinex blaster weighing in at 17lbs to try to develop some rhythm and things seem to be improving. Still inconsistent but today I hit 46' (my PR) several times. I think Jake's advice about the finish is good too. I know I am failing to finish high on the stones and I video'd a couple throws today (had to talk the kid into doing it for me) and I think I am staning too high yet hunched when I release.

An example:
http://youtu.be/2l7wNt34NQU

Again I appreciate all the great feedback in this thread.


GAH! that last line should read "standing too high".

And Greg, it is good to be on the way back.
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