I take allot of crap about wearing a Kilt and lifting all year in the work place. I have broad shoulders so no worries plus most of my co-workers are afraid of me because they cant close the #2 on my desk and I can do it for reps.

Im having an argument (conversation) with a customer of mine the other day and they are shocked “someone like me is helping them financially”. Meaning strong guys are dumb. I’ve thought about this for a few days and thought I would see if anyone has had a similar experience. Im not the a huge guy by any standards and certainly don’t think Im real smart. But I do what I do for a living pretty well. I know there are some super smart athletes out there just curious how diverse groups we have.

Im a Mortgage Broker Loan Officer, I do everthing there is in the mortgage biz. In my former life I was a Fixed Operations Manager In a GM dealership. Thats just a fancy term for being incharge of the the Service and Parts Departments. Did that for more than 15 years.

143 IQ, Mensa, 4.0 in college, and now I have my own real estate investment/brokerage firm. Not the strongest guy, but getting there.

None of it means crap if you are not happy though. And you cant take any of it with you.

I am a high school teacher and when I meet new people and tell them that, most of them guesss that I am a P.E. teacher.  None of the guess that I teach math for a living.

Of course, after I tell them I teach math, then I get the stereo-typical reaction to that.

Scott

People only say stuff like that because they feel inadequate. They try to make themselves feel better by pointing out negative characteristics of people who are better than them in a certain way. And usually they just throw out some baseless stereotype as a gut reaction. You should feel bad for him... it's not his fault really... society taught him that. If you can't win, the game must not be worth playing.

I know we have teachers, law enforcment, is there any rocket science, nuc phys, or chem eng? 

Jonathan Barlow wrote: People only say stuff like that because they feel inadequate. They try to make themselves feel better by pointing out negative characteristics of people who are better than them in a certain way. And usually they just throw out some baseless stereotype as a gut reaction. You should feel bad for him... it's not his fault really... society taught him that. If you can't win, the game must not be worth playing.

your right

brndnw1023 wrote: 143 IQ, Mensa, 4.0 in college, and now I have my own real estate investment/brokerage firm. Not the strongest guy, but getting there. None of it means crap if you are not happy though. And you cant take any of it with you.

your just to smart

J. Barlow is correct.  As a PhD student (Criminology) I have witnessed what kinds of bias students bring to the classroom; it is reflected in their conversations and attitudes, and perhaps of more immediate consequence, this bias shines through in their papers and presentations.  It is that same bias at the root of these stereotypes.  Yes, we are men who walk around in what my easily be miscontrued as a skirt.  Yes, many of us hug as a greeting. And yes, some of us make obscenely loud and distressing noises when we throw.  But as this thread has demonstrated, our real strength is between our ears, and even if we carry some extra weight around the middle or have a freakishly large physique, we should never be underestimated.

From Braveheart "I know you can fight...but it's our wits that make us men."

Respectfully,

Duncan McCallum

S McCracken wrote: I know we have teachers, law enforcment, is there any rocket science, nuc phys, or chem eng?

I'm an electrical engineer... or so I'm told...

S McCracken wrote: I know we have teachers, law enforcment, is there any rocket science, nuc phys, or chem eng?

I'm a biologist.  Is that close? 

John Richard, who no longer throws, is a rocket scientist of some sort.  He worked on missle systems at Dalhgren, VA.

I'll toot on their behalf:

Josh Raab:  Mechanical Engineer

Jason Thomas:  Chemistry Professor

Steve,

Ha, that's funny. I get somewhat the opposite reaction. I'm 6'3" and 245, and people say "you throw that heavy stuff?" In real life, I have a B.S. in Journalism, and M.B.A., I sell telephone systems to business, and I teach college writing and management classes for a living. I agree on the stereotypes, but I just get a chuckle out of it.

And yes, there are some really smart guys on here, like Dr. Wayne, D. Barron, and a number of other engineers, lawyers, etc. It's pretty good company, actually.

Me:  High IQ but I get bored easy.

In terms of professions>student, cardio-vascular technician, kitchen & bath designer for remodeling and new construction, commisioned artist and writer, factory assembler, buyer, senior buyer, and manufacturing supervisor.

We have to be careful not to define ourselves by our profession.  At least I do.  Looking at my career path I guess I'm a schizophrenic.  But I have been blessed to do well in each pursuit.

Sleeping Dragon wrote: Me:  High IQ but I get bored easy. We have to be careful not to define ourselves by our profession.  At least I do.  Looking at my career path I guess I'm a schizophrenic.  But I have been blessed to do well in each pursuit.

Me too to all.

jimgem wrote: but the ladies sure like my jewels.

LOL!

This not a question of who is smarter its just amazing to me how people judge you based on your phys-app. If your a big guy you must be a big dumb ox and can only pick potatos and load the wagon. for the guys in any kind of law enforcemnt or correctional officers being big probably has some advantages. however im sure it has its draw backs to some guy with small mans syndrome thinks he can take you down because he has somthing to prove.

How many of you Officers have this problem? Ken C? Craig S?

S McCracken wrote: If your a big guy you must be a big dumb ox and can only pick potatos and load the wagon.

I happen to pick potatoes and load wagons for a living you insensitive jerk. Now would you please tell me about the rabbits again?

"I take allot of crap "

"Im not the a huge guy by any standards and certainly don’t think Im real smart."

"your just to smart"

S McCracken, grammar/spelling is your Achilles Heel then?   just kidding with you

Mr. Natural wrote: S McCracken wrote: If your a big guy you must be a big dumb ox and can only pick potatos and load the wagon. I happen to pick potatoes and load wagons for a living you insensitive jerk. Now would you please tell me about the rabbits again?

sure, you get to tend the Rabbits Lennie!

(you were referencing Of Mice and Men, Right?  If not, sorry)

Spider wrote: "I take allot of crap " "Im not the a huge guy by any standards and certainly don’t think Im real smart." "your just to smart"   S McCracken, grammar/spelling is your Achilles Heel then?   just kidding with you

I know I cant spell or type who has time to spell check the posts.

I told y'all I was not that smart

I was a correctional officer for a maximum security prison for almost 2 years while I completed a MS in Criminal Justice...Josh is right...there is always someone looking to take you down a peg.

Which is why I never feel too bad when I pull their card.

+1 to all the above. 

In my 10+ years, it only averages out to about 1 fight per year for me.  It is definitely an advantage, imo.

Truly I abhor violence.  My experience with fighting has always been good for me, not so good for the other guy, and in some cases, it has REALLY not been that guy's day...and I am not a monster like some of you gentlemen.

By the same token, everyone can "fight" until that first time when they get hit in the mouth; a fighter hits back.  Everyone else reconsiders.  I hate fighting.

Sun Tzu said something to the effect of the most perfect battle is the one that you never have to fight...maybe there is a lesson there.

Respectfully,

Duncan McCallum

you wish

meathead

Dave, you have never even closley resembled a meathead in your entire life.

Blue toenails ring a bell?

I'm 6' 4" 300lbs and people ask me what I do and I say I'm a Web design and computer geek they look at me as if I was telling a lie I even had one guy ask me if I was a steel worker...

Bill I'm about +50lbs on you and I'm a network administrator so I know exactly what you mean.

Duncan I hate violence also but I have three brothers so I am really good at it. Okay that's a lie, I don't hate violence.

C. Smith wrote:   In my 10+ years, it only averages out to about 1 fight per year for me.  It is definitely an advantage, imo.

 17 years as a patrol officer in a suburb outside of Detroit, usually averaged 2-3 good scraps a year. Now I'm a road patrol supervisor , so I let the young guys do the fighting (or tazing).

I have always found that the bigger I was (330 at my heaviest) the more I attracted unwanted attention from small, insecure psychos.

It's always win-win for them, cause if (when, usually) they lose they were fighting a much bigger guy. If they get the better of you, or even get in a couple of good shots, they look much better.

Plus, being crazy, it's very hard to stop them without literally 'stopping' them.

I'm not crazy but I have a high pain tolerance (not bragging, everything hurts all the time and I wish it didn't. You adapt.) but I used to get tired fast and wind up hurting myself. God's way of telling me to behave I suppose. that and having no natural fighting ability at all. Of course, that was long before tackling someone and beating their head into the concrete was a 'technique'.

As far as meatheadedness, I have an English degree which is absolutely useless to me in risk management. Yee ha.

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I like the sound of that "Tazing" thats my kind of fighting.

Im number seven in my family only 1 sister my oldest brother is almost 20 years older than me but learning to run at a early age was very important I leaned to fight for dinner or I got left out just like the runt of the litter. As I got oler I was the bigest and they all ask me to help them out of the jams. Thats what brothers are for.

a minor in Latin American politics

New avatar Mikey?

During the day I'm an HVAC/R Field Technician. I recieved an AAS upon completeing my apprenticeship & now I'm pursuing a BS in mechanical engineering @ the University of Utah.

At night I'm responsible for maintaining a same/legal environment @ a local sports bar.  Since taking over security a couple of years ago I've done away w/ the "bouncer" mentality.  I employ only 6 guys over 250#'s. Regardless of size they have to be capable of remaining calm and in control of their surroundings.

Meatheads attract trouble, especially when alcohol's involved. The ability to not threaten or bully is invaluable. We get a bad enough rap as it is.

Joel Sim wrote: Regardless of size they have to be capable of remaining calm and in control of their surroundings.

"If somebody gets in your face and calls you a cocksucker, I want you to be nice. Ask him to walk. Be nice. If he won't walk, walk him. But be nice. If you can't walk him, one of the others will help you, and you'll both be nice. I want you to remember that it's a job. It's nothing personal."

greatest memory of that movie for me?

being 9 years old and watching it with my big brother and his buddies - and then - during that first serious sex scene right before Dalton busts that one bouncer in the back room - having our mom walk in and flipping out on my brother for letting me watch it...

That I would get in here.

I currently have a Bachelors in Sociology and Criminal Justice with a minor in Political Science. Even with a double major and a minor, I managed to graduate with a 3.5 gpa, and a healthy liver.

I am currently a Record Specialist at a large Milwaukee Law Firm, and currently deciding what to go to school for next (either Law School to practice family law, or a Masters in Social Work)

But yeah, whenever something heavy needs moved at the law firm (attorney moving offices or something) I always get called first.

Cool movie but I hate how it strengthens the "bouncer" stereotype I'm trying to dis-prove @ my bar.

I tell'em when I hire'em "this sh*t's not roadhouse & I'm not Dalton". Sad thing is, lately some of them are to young to know what the hell I'm talking about.

will barron wrote: greatest memory of that movie for me? being 9 years old and watching it with my big brother and his buddies - and then - during that first serious sex scene right before Dalton busts that one bouncer in the back room - having our mom walk in and flipping out on my brother for letting me watch it...

"Hey babe, I think I'm gonna make you my every saturday night thing"

kaljr82 wrote: But yeah, whenever something heavy needs moved at the law firm (attorney moving offices or something) I always get called first.

I hear ya, I get the same and I'm one of the attorneys so the staff are usually safe from moving tasks.

Oh, and I learned almost everything from Roadhouse, it came out when I was about 15. My mother made the mistake of allowing my brother and I to talk her into taking us to the movies to see it. She soon realized her mistake with that stock room scene.

I've been telling my wife we need to have a son named Dalton to which she disapproves. She just doesn't understand the social importance of Patrick Swayze beating people while spouting such philosophical gems.

Superintendent/Project Manager for Turner Construction Company.  There are a lot of angry dudes in construction.  I have never had a problem with them.  It's all in the approach and tone you take with people.

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It's amazing what an attitude adjuster the tazer can be.  Duncan's right once in awhile it's nice to pull their card, some of them think twice next time.  Usually you have one advantge right from the start, most of the time they've been drinking all day.

Few years back my brother-in-law decided he wanted to learn mix mart arts. From a guy that opened a Gracie (sp) school and was trained by them in Brazil for several years. "Bad Dude" After a year or so my brother invites me up to go to the local pub with some of his college buds and teacher. Im the smallest of his friends at 6" 260ish and his teacher 5.5" about 160. And the bouncer tells as we walk in he cant handle the trouble we could make because of our size and we all laugh because the teacher that gets overlooked at 5 nothing 100 and nothing. Could have kicked all of our asses.

 Size dont mean shit if he can choke you out in 20 sec.

Joel Sim wrote: Cool movie but I hate how it strengthens the "bouncer" stereotype I'm trying to dis-prove @ my bar.

I did this in my younger dumber days it was lots of fun, Had some of the most fun I have ever had bouncing. I spent more time preventing fights than breaking them up. We were tought to watch the crowd and prevent fights before they happen.

Distraction is the best way to disarm awkward situations with drunks.  It's not always feasable but it's nice when it happens. 

I used to bounce in a club who's clientel were predominantly young black guys and gals.  One of the best ways I found to disarm an escalation in that environment was to jump right in the middle of them while simultaneously singing "Play That Funky Music Whiteboy" and playing the air bass guitar.  It worked more than once as they spent enough time laughing at me that they forgot they were mad.  (But it didn't always work.)  I loved that highschool/college job and stayed with it for three years when in school (it was in the 80's when people didn't look too close at your age when they assigned you).

Being on the receiving end and sending end of several whippings has taught me that at any given time anybody can beat anybody and if you don't have to draw it's best to stay holstered.

I too have to put Bob Weigel up as an example.  It seems inconceivable that so much power and intelligence can exists in one body.

As for me, I don't have the power but have some brains.  I pay for my leisure activities by being an Actuary. I also have a MS in Statistics.

After graduate school, I had lots of problems when first trying to get a job.  I would get first interviews based on my academic credentials but rarely would get second.  Some of the rejections was due to my size and shape, some due to needing to polish my interviewing skills (which is truly an art form), some due to my beard, some due to how I carried my self (body language), and some due to who knows what.

I learned to disarm people with wit, forthrightness, false humbleness, and many other skills.  Did what I had to in order to over come the intial respose to the physical form.  Different people and situations would require different tactics.

Twenty years later, the beard is longer, the belly is bigger, hair has turned white….  Which has lead to Mom’s no longer clinging to their kids when I am around, Instead they send the little linoleum lizards over because they think I am fricking Santa Claus

Fortunately, I do not have to worry about my position at my company due to my hobby.  The president of my company was a college Shot Discus and Javelin thrower at a major university.  He came out with his son to a practice because his son wanted to try highland games.  He ended up trying all the events and put up some very good numbers.

I'm just a big fat guy that works with mentally ill homeless folk.  I don't worry about the big guys or the little guys with something to prove.  I just worry about the guys who are listening to the voices in their head that are telling them I'm Bill Gates' minion and I'm there to steal all their green jelly beans.

It also hurts my feelings that homeless people are brutally honest and consistently tell me "hey did you gain weight?"

6'3" 290lbs public accountant, i get the "you do what?" all the time. And for some reason, I always get calls to help move heavy things, do you guys get these same phone calls?

I never worried about the big kids. It's always the little guy with something to prove that you had to look out for.

Sounds like we worked similar type places. As if I didn't know.

You still pulling in the big tips at the Shack?

Well it happened again last night, I often meet clients at there home to sign the necessary mortgage doc’s. (Keeps them comfortable in there own surroundings). As I walk in the door Im met by the Husband 6.2” and 125lbs soaking wet. And immediately he says honey looks like were going to refinance the house. She responds, you haven’t even seen his proposal. He says “ Do you see the size of him I cant tell him no thanks”!  I say, I promise I will be nice as long as you sign where I tell you to.

I laugh, they chuckle and then they sign there names on the line and no one got hurt. Lol!

Krazy40 wrote: 6'3" 290lbs public accountant, i get the "you do what?" all the time. And for some reason, I always get calls to help move heavy things, do you guys get these same phone calls?

Everytime the vending machine jams and some one cant get there M&M's they ask come rock the machine. There amazed at all the candy and chips that fall out. I think some of them do it on purpose.

Jeff Ingram wrote:   Sounds like we worked similar type places. As if I didn't know.

Same place diffent City. There all the same

hmmm - I'm a computer guy, degree in BioSciences with honours genetics with another degree in Computer Engineering.

At 300lbs I do stand apart from the rest of the nerds :) I'm thier manager and generally dont have to deal with any outbursts of any kind at my office - kinda nice :)

Krazy40 wrote: 6'3" 290lbs public accountant, i get the "you do what?" all the time. And for some reason, I always get calls to help move heavy things, do you guys get these same phone calls?

Yeah, its even worse if you drive a truck. Then you get the call ' can you pick this up for me, i will help you unload it"I am thinking about selling it for a Miata.

brndnw1023 wrote: Yeah, its even worse if you drive a truck. Then you get the call ' can you pick this up for me, i will help you unload it"I am thinking about selling it for a Miata.

Yeah, I got a truck and always get that "yeah, I need you to help me move something this weekend" crap. 

I don't think I can trade it in for a Miata, once I got in I'd need the jaws of life to get me out.

try having a truck and working your way through college as a furniture mover ...

The worse of all worlds ... have the size/strength/stamina, the vehicle, and the know how w/ a ready supply of dollys, moving pads, used boxes, ....

Amazing the percentage of people who were not around when you need a hand... par for the course.

Lets move this discusion to vehicles, I had a Honda CRX for a couple of years and it felt like  a clown car. It did help me with my squat depth. I would open the door, put my butt over the seat and squat/fall at the same time. Getting out was more of a crawl. I am a Field Engineer for Datex Ohmeda/GE and they provide me with a company van now.

Back when I was hang'n iron, & thus traveling out of state alot, I spent $500 on an '84, 2 door, hatch back Tercel. complete w/ power sunroof( a must w/ no A/C  ).

I understand the clown car analogy, I would regularly pick up 3 co-workers & commute. 4 obnoxious iron hogs in a clown car - nobody laughed at us though. At least not openly.

Man I wish I still had that car now. The S.O.B got 40+ highway mpg!

• Luke Iams - 5'6" and 380
• Willie Williams - 6' and 350
• Troy McNett - 6'4" and 400

Put your car back on and get the hell out of here!

Years ago I drove all over Ohio to service New car Dealerships. my car has you all beat.

wait for it

Geo strom

shoe horn in and roll out then stand up. Talk about clown car 30+ mpg I drove 30-40k a year back then.

Drove this back and forth from CA to MO when I was in college. Even though I was a svelte 285, I looked more like I was wearing it than driving it.

People used to laugh at me when I started on the Police force because I drove a white geo tracker for years. The big guy in the "chick" car.That thing would run forever on a tank of gas tho. 

I am waiting for one of you behemeths to admit to owning a mini-cooper!! Oh yeah I am sure it was all your wifes idea.

Then there is the 5'4" 98 pound guy getting out of a Hummer and strutting while flexing those invisible Lats.

Joe Hansen, one of our SOS club, brought an old school / right-hand drive cooper back from New Zealand. Him & Jeff would pick it up & carry it . Joe's a taller guy & lean; probably 6'2"+ & 200 - 220#'s.

I could be wrong about where he went to get the car though.

KiltBill wrote: I am waiting for one of you behemeths to admit to owning a mini-cooper!! Oh yeah I am sure it was all your wifes idea. Then there is the 5'4" 98 pound guy getting out of a Hummer and strutting while flexing those invisible Lats.

Remember Renault LeCars?  That was one of my college cars.  That's pretty close to a Mini and definitely makes a great clown car if you are hauling around teammates after football practice!

As far as the invisible lats thing goes we have a very large population of this subspecies of man around here.  They don't drive Hummers though.  We have the small town variety that drive jacked up pick-ups with number 3's in the window. (I'm a 48 fan)  But I'd take "invisible lats-man" over a growing population of young wannabes in my area: "I don't know how to wear a belt so see my butt crack farmland gangsta-man" .

Sleeping Dragon wrote: [QUOTE=KiltBill]  "I don't know how to wear a belt so see my butt crack farmland gangsta-man" .

Their every where

Big guys in suits are way better looking than the average man.

Scariest guys I have been around fight without much provoking and no warning.  Like a dog that does not growl.  It was just "Kevin or Brian is punching someone in the head, again".  Then the whole "lawsuit" speech by my Dad kinda ended the stupid fighting thing.

As for work....My wife gave me the evil eye when she heard me tell a guy I was a Pirate for a living...we were at some black tie thingy.  The other guy just walked away.

Big guys in suites look like Mafia guys about to make a hit.

Ever seen a big guy on a segway?