I have to wear gloves when throwing or I rip the skin off my fingers.

My hands are soft due to my lack of lifting. I was just wondering why some games don't let athletes wear gloves???

Is there a rule on this?

There was one game in Florida a little while back that did not allow gloves to be used for the LW. This was do to insurance requirements and not because of the AD. What made things worse was it rained during the comp and wearing gloves would have helped. This was the only time that I have heard of this though. Also, there are some insurances that are beginning requiring a fence/cage to used for the LW just like we use for the HH.

This just shows that we need to educate others concerning what we do.

What is the reason why a thrower can't wear gloves in Scotland?

I believe it stems from some guys using the gloves as 'straps' extending the length of the implement.

I do know of some AD's who take the "Not in Scotland, so not here either" stance which is fine- however the flip side of the insurance issue is with blown callouses and torn skin you have a lot of blood on the implement, and the possibility of blood-borne diseases.

I would expect most places would not have an issue with gloves anymore.

Joe Lane - AD of those two games - has joined an association -can't remember the name-  I think Francis B. is involved - where there is no spinning or gloves allowed.

I don't understand the insurance thing. There was a post a couple of years back where an athlete with HIV had an accident at a Games- I can't recall the details- but here our association decided after that we'd encourage people to wear gloves.

It's not manadatory at all, of course, but you get two or three people with torn callouses that's a fair bit of bodily fluids potentially on the handles of the implements.

I hook and wear a glove. Never thrown anywhere it wasn't allowed- and i wasn't aware that the IHGF didn't allow gloves either, guess I wasn't paying attention.

Hook Grip: Its for guys that have a limp wrist.

Hook Grip:  If you want to throw farther

Hook grip

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Zane,

I'll show you how when we get together to train.  Check your PM.

Rick

M-BAAB wrote: Joe Lane - AD of those two games - has joined an association -can't remember the name-  I think Francis B. is involved - where there is no spinning or gloves allowed.

sound like a good rule to me.. might have to implement this rule.

C. Smith wrote: Hook Grip:  If you want to throw farther

From the mouth of a pro!!!

I guess that really does settle that huh??

dont mind the newbie... but one trick i know of from my rock climbing is stuff called hoof hardener... i used it for climbing and it worked great. so what if its made for horses, probably can't kill you right? its basically a mix of compounds like keratin and other topical proteins to strenghten, tighten, and toughen the skin...

anyways, my hands never have trouble, granted i'm a pip squick and prob dont pull quite as much as you beasts, but hey my hands and grip never give.

Well, I am out numbered on this one.

I spoke with Ryan Vierra when he came to florida last year in November 2006 and he told me he just started using the hook grip 3 months prior which means his best marks were thrown without the hook grip.

Rob Schultz wrote: Well, I am out numbered on this one. I spoke with Ryan Vierra when he came to florida last year in November 2006 and he told me he just started using the hook grip 3 months prior which means his best marks were throw without the hook grip.

If you don't know by now.....RV is the exception to many rules. 

Rob Schultz wrote: Well, I am out numbered on this one. I spoke with Ryan Vierra when he came to florida last year in November 2006 and he told me he just started using the hook grip 3 months prior which means his best marks were throw without the hook grip.

Just imagine what he might have thrown with a hook grip.

The longer the lever the farther the throw. If your hands are strong enough to hold the 28 pound wfd towards the end of your fingers the weight will go farther.

The 56 wfd is a different story.

Am I the only one that thinks this???

Intresting talk.  I NEVER knew this too be an issue until this short little "Port=a=gee  starting going across the pond and throwing far ( aka-Ryan Mc Vierra).

In track and field ...its a protection isssue that allows them to be used.  I owuld also add the safety issue into any argument along these lines  YES the hook grip ia an ANSWER but your nails are'nt going to be pretty...

Hey-

Hook grip here. Helped my LWD and HWD to PR levels, but it did split my thumb nail from the crushing pressure on it.

And, ... I've started throwing hammers with gloves on this year. I just got tired of the almost daily task to clean my hands of the tacky after practice. So, I started doing winds with gloves on and found that it made no problems for me throwing with them on too. Threw PRs with them without any issues. The don't make much difference.

-K   

Rob Schultz wrote: The longer the lever the farther the throw. If your hands are strong enough to hold the 28 pound wfd towards the end of your fingers the weight will go farther.

If you can do this and still hold on to the weight, you aren't applying anywhere near enough speed to the implement.  No one can do this and throw a decent #.

What about this throw?

I dont know if he threw that with a hook or not, i thought he did.  But if he didn't i would bet money that a glove was used.  And if you think there aren't ways to use a glove other than just reaching down and grabbing the weight.......but i'm not gonna give out everyones secrets

Additionally, you said "hold the 28 pound wfd towards the end of your fingers", which Frasure absolutely does not do.

zdkrempin wrote: I've only competed in two games this year Arlington/Bedford and both times NO GLOVES ALLOWED!!  I just thought that was the rules.  Guess I was wrong.  WHY?

I was told no padded gloves at Arlington, I was able to wear a glove (non-padded leather palm) for WFD. 

Grip Equipment and Training

Tony Dziepak, June 2002, last modified June 2003

The #56 weight (heavy weight) requires a strong finger grip unless you use a hook grip. The hook grip is what the olympic weightlifters use to hold the barbell. It means wrapping the first and second fingers over the last joint of the thumb. In effect, the thumb becomes a strap. It can be a little painful on the thumb, but you will get used to it. The hook grip is a good choice for those with weak finger grips or when you have a finger injury. The hook grip is especially good for larger diameter handles (over 1/2" in diameter)

If you have strong fingers, or a sore thumb, or injury to the palm, go with the G.I. Joe Kung-fu grip, which will give you another 1/2" radius. Hold the weight with the four fingers, and just rest the thumb on the outside of the handle. You can build grip strength by general heavy pulling exercises without straps (deadlifts, shrugs, etc), or specialized grip exercises (gripper, wrist curls, etc).

In practice, you can use straps to help you throw more when your grip gives out, but you can't use straps in competition. Also, you cannot use the track and field hammer glove that has the extra leather flap that goes across all four fingers. But you can wear gloves, and they don't have to have the fingertips exposed. I recommend a baseball or softball batting glove. I also individually tape my fingers underneath the glove with athletic tape. I tape them with my fingers in a bent/curled position. alternatively, wou might tape the fingers over the glove.

Now try this: Gently curl your right-hand fingers in a ball. Now grab your right wrist hard with your left hand, and try to straighten your right-hand fingers. Do you feel your wrist expand? This is why powerlifters wrap their wrists tightly in the deadlift. Tightly wrapping your wrist can give you some additional finger grip strength.

Alright, no disrespect meant to Tony, but:

And Rob, if you dont want to use the hook grip, don't.  No one said YOU have to.  I can easily throw 70-75' without a hook grip.  But i'd much rather throw 80'+ with it.  You do what works for you, but trying to agrue a proven method is kinda silly, imo. 

Craig

I have never tried the hook grip. I have only heard it's the best, but when I research pictures of the best throwers they are wearing gloves with no hook grip.

I bought this same glove, grip the weight the same and tape my wrist.

I will try the hook grip next practice.

There are exceptions to every rule, along with ways to wrap a glove.  If you base everything off Frasure and RV, you might be disappointed, nah mean?

Also, the two furthest 28s this year were thrown by Brock and Betz.  Hook grippers til the end.

KTDupuis wrote: Hookers unite!!!

Do you mind if we quote you out of context.

Rob,

I went through all my pictures and you can view them to. do a search on this board for Saline. I have all my highland game pictures there.

C.smith ...hook

Will B ...hook

J. birchfield.. hook

Lannie Pullon... hook

Kurt Pauli... hook

HB3.. hook

these are some of the best throwers and are all close or over 80'

I have said this before somtimes when I hook it I have release problems so I have not used it in games. And it shows in my throws. I have thrown in the high 60's in practice (witch is not great) but I have done this for a year or so. Any sugestions on this?

S McCracken wrote: I have said this before somtimes when I hook it I have release problems so I have not used it in games. And it shows in my throws. I have thrown in the high 60's in practice (witch is not great) but I have done this for a year or so. Any sugestions on this?

Well, you might not want to throw from atop of a hill.. As this seem to add distance in practice... I do it all the time...makes me feel better about my self...

J/K.. I know nothing..am retired

Smart A Postaholic! This is why Craig veto's you.

C. Smith wrote: And if you think there aren't ways to use a glove other than just reaching down and grabbing the weight.......but i'm not gonna give out everyones secrets

Are you saying a glove, especially a loose one can be used like a strap?

I never did it. 

I hooked from 99 til 00, then went to no hook in all events, but then again I can close a # 3 right now (two year retired)  the only thing I have squeezed in the last two years is my chicken.

I shoulda kept hookin, those 39' 10" throws mighta been 41+'ers  

Hook grip feels easier and you can relax more through the throw,have thrown 3 feet further with normal grip but was 25lbs lighter when throwing with the hook grip.

Scotland no gloves is down to the fact that most throwers backgrounds was from the farming/rural  background long ago when wearing gloves would have been seen as not very PC.

I believe you can still throw at some Ams games with  gloves to this day in scotland.

Wayne Hill wrote: Roy Bogue wrote: ...but then again I can close a # 3 right now Jeez, I'd like to see that.  Anybody know the requirements for certification? -Wayne

I know they do it at the Arnold Cl in Columbus OH. Im going to check into it this year.

Wayne Hill wrote: Roy Bogue wrote: ...but then again I can close a # 3 right now Jeez, I'd like to see that.  Anybody know the requirements for certification? -Wayne

It was the beer talkin, I can't close her right now.  

Roy Bogue wrote: Wayne Hill wrote: Roy Bogue wrote: ...but then again I can close a # 3 right now Jeez, I'd like to see that.  Anybody know the requirements for certification? -Wayne It was the beer talkin, I can't close her right now.

I can't even budge a number #3  BUT i WANT TO

Wow. I just tried throwing with a glove and it was terrible. I just used a run of the mill work glove. Are there gloves that are better suited for throwing?

Leroy

Thanks Al... I agree. I did take the glove off for the 28 and it was much better.

Threw terrible weights, maybe it is the cold or the heavy lifting.

Next week...

Leroy

Interesting thread, I hook grip just about everything. Including the 220lb farmers walk I had to do for 50metres because they had ultra thin handles. Not fun...

My point is this however, Snider, those Smileys you keep downloading, while cute, are chock full of viruses. Maybe not the best idea to use them.

mcdonl wrote: Wow. I just tried throwing with a glove and it was terrible. I just used a run of the mill work glove. Are there gloves that are better suited for throwing? Leroy

I will tell you what I do if you would like to try. I went to Ace hardware and bought the best leather gloves they had $20.00 bucks, then I tape my wrist to keep the glove from being pulled off, and the most important thing for me is using Brocks Tacky, just a little on each finger on the face of the glove and make sure you get the inside of the thumb with tacky. Then grab the handle 4 or 5 times to get the tacky just right.

Thanks Rob. I did not get to throw last weekend (or this probably....) as I am renovating my gym.

By renovating my gym I mean fixing the garage after my wife smashed my truck through the front of it taking out both doors, and the center of the garage.

Anyone who knows her can feel free to point and laugh.

Leroy