Overhead style(winding up)
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Topic: Overhead style(winding up)
Posted By: dWood
Subject: Overhead style(winding up)
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 8:00am
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don't know what its called but some athletes have used it for the lwfd(HBIII,Hamelin,Josee Mornue,Mindy P,Zuesman) what are the benefits and drawbacks-most of these athletes I think come form a track and field background...I remember harrison at Maine saying something about gaining too much spped through the box..and no I am not going to try it was just wondering-its interesting but not something I would try this late in my career ------------- JUST BRING IT / SPEED KILLS..BUT STRENGTH PUNISHES |
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Posted By: LarryBrock
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 1:32pm
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i would be worried about rotator cuff problems. ------------- "No man Is entirely worthless, he can always serve as a bad example" Brian Oldfield |
Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 2:02pm
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I've heard people say that, and it has that look about it, but I've tried it without any strange feelings or discomfort. Of course, it didn't help my throws, either. -Wayne ------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
Posted By: S McCracken
Date Posted: 10/03/07 at 3:51pm
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I saw it done once, your right look like it was hell on the cuff. His throws we in the 60's rang though. ------------- North American Highlander Ohio Chair www.nahighlander.com |
LarryBrock wrote:Posted By: mike pockoski
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 4:16am
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i used to do it, but it was tough on the shoulder... actually, my LW pr is with that "cast-in" style. goes back to that olympic hammer training...give me lots of time to put the "ball" in with a lot of speed without having to do much work yet with my body. then you just sit in the "middle" and turn your feet fast (bert sorin describes it at running downhill a little too fast...) i carry the ball a little more in front of me with this style (more like a olympic hammer) and it's very little strain on the body. if you turn really fast, it works great . i threw a 20# weight 128 feet this style with oldfield watching/coaching, so i think there might be a way to throw far like this. but i stopped using it 'cause the rotator cuff gets too sore with repeated practice. i think it's easier with the light weights (14)... mindy uses it with no problem. |
Posted By: Joel Sim
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 5:10am
is there a video somewhere of this? I'm having a hard time wrapping wats left of my cognitive resources around the idea.  ------------- |
Posted By: McSanta
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 5:26am
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Go to brainoldfield.com http://www.brianoldfield.com/videos.htm - http://www.brianoldfield.com/videos.htm Under Highland Games video section, he has a weight for distance video or right to the video
Note on the bottom of the page states: In this video, Brian is seen throwing himself to the ground after the throw. This was an improvised reverse. It became apparent to the judges that this style yielded an advantage and the rules were modified to prevent such a finish.
------------- Mark McVey "The work of science is to substitute facts for appearances and demonstrations for impressions." -John Ruskin |
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Posted By: JWC III
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 8:54am
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AT the MWC, Berle Conrad did a "once around the world" like he was lassoing a steer and then a one turn and toss. Didn't do too bad with it. ------------- Thom Van Vleck |
Posted By: Joel Sim
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 9:23am
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that overhand release looks like it takes away from the hips? I'm guessing the angle/height/speed of release make up for it? With the stats ya'll are quoting there must be something to it that a rookie to the sport such as myself should look into though. Maybe a light wieght to save my shoulder until I feel comfortable w/ the movement. Then again I should probably stick to basics anyhow interesting though thanks for the thread! Joel ------------- |
Posted By: Steve D
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 11:22am
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If you don't try to muscle the wind and let the weight run you will have less stress on the joint. The other thought is to not wind hard but use it like a turn to set up the first actual turn. The wind can allow you to start the throw alot faster than the "drag" / "figure 8" start and establish a good high and low points. I have seen Mike use it and I liked it alot but I didn't tell him what I thought he was doing wrong with his set up (I was trying to beat Mike for the first time in Utah when I saw him use it) BTW it worked and just got him in the 28. Paybacks where a bitch in the 56. Steve D |
Posted By: mike pockoski
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 11:34am
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steve has a good point about too much muscle...i later figured out that i needed to use a lot of "body english" to make the winds easier...more flexible/twisting of upper body during the winds... and you gotta put it in smooth and use it to set up the first turn like steve says...the throw doesn't start until the first turn when both feet land, then you start to apply force to the ball. with this start, the ball is already cookin' and you haven't done any work yet. the other big key that steve points to is orbit - high and low points. i think a lot of people start the throw with the weight's momentum swinging back and forth parallel with the trig...and then try to change the direction of the weights momentum with your right arm by throwing it into the first turn before your move (the cast in...) my problem with this entry was that i would dip my left shoulder and crash into the turn...this let me keep my chest up and move through he throw... |
Posted By: Steve D
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 11:38am
| Damn he is on to it... look out! |
Posted By: Joel Sim
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 11:53am
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In the oldfield footage it looked like his first winds were perpindicular(spelling?) to the trig or am I lost in terminology translation?
Joel ------------- |
Posted By: S McCracken
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 2:49pm
Thats awsome ------------- North American Highlander Ohio Chair www.nahighlander.com |
Posted By: Steve D
Date Posted: 10/04/07 at 3:01pm
| I wouldn't approach the wind like BIG O. He is an exception to many rules. For the mortal think more of a Olympic hammer wind. |
Posted By: hbaileyIII
Date Posted: 10/05/07 at 3:49am
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This style has the biggest potential for huge throws but is the hardest to control in wet weather and creates bad habits. I have used it in the spin wob and the 28wfd. I found I didn't need it in the wob. In the 28 it was fast as hell but the biggest obstacle was landing in a open position. This caused some bad habits in the 56d which I still battle today. The first person to master that wind and land open so you can drive to the trig, will be the first man to 100ft. in the 28. It may not be a long career but it will be sweet. ------------- HB3 |
Posted By: Coach Mac
Date Posted: 10/05/07 at 10:21pm
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CHatted with HB about this at his first All American in Portland..
Played with this in 1987 as ultimeatly the most IMPORTANT variable IN THROWING is V-E-L-O-C-I-T-Y...!
PRE-requisites....flexible shoulders. GREAT kinethetics...wired for SPEED !!! GOOD LUCK p.s.HB... remember the video session on the caber... ------------- Have a GREAT Day ! Rob " Coach Mac " Mac Kay |
...at Portland that pissed everyone off the next week....
....good stuff Posted By: mcdonl
Date Posted: 10/08/07 at 5:41am
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There was a guys throwing with us yesterday that did this technique, but it looked like two different components. The wind, then the drive to the trig. He wound up something fierce, and it looked like if he could just add the wind and spin together that thing would FLY! I hope someone got video of it... Leroy ------------- Leroy McDonough |
Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 10/08/07 at 7:17am
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Actually, there were 2: one of them wound like crazy and then suffered the consequences of not being able to keep up with the weight (and is likely to suffer a serious shoulder injury, unless he changes his style). Don't try this at home. The other (Scott Dochat) did it in a way that would probably be considered "right" by our T&F brethren: he wound nicely, without much shoulder load, to get ball speed without wasting real estate, then went with it, never getting behind the ball for the entire throw. He's also very good at using all the available real estate in the box: near corner start to far corner finish, and a straight line in between. If he trains for HG (which I don't believe he does, yet), I really don't know how far he could throw it. -Wayne ------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
Posted By: mcdonl
Date Posted: 10/08/07 at 8:47am
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Your right Wayne. Scott is a good thrower. As was the other guy who threw that way. It sure looks like that style has some serious potential, not to mention it adds a little excitement with the "different" style. Leroy ------------- Leroy McDonough |