Wanna get sore #9
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Topic: Wanna get sore #9
Posted By: M-BAAB
Subject: Wanna get sore #9
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 8:42am
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Let's say you have a world championship at the end of September , but despair of finding a way to beat the Stewart that doesn't involve him getting hurt.What to do? ..............Kill yourself in the UT weightroom..........start w. low pulley swivels (mimicing weight throws)4x5 - get crazy/heavy widit.......hammer pull downs off a high pulley 4x5....go to that pushpress thing that Don and Pete were talking about - feet placed in braemar stance - 156x3,198x3(I was feeling it out)242x3,264x2,286x2........zerchs 156x3,264x3,308x2,364x2,396x2.......18" deads 364x2,480x2,600x1......... snatch grip rapid deads from floor 264x5x5.......bar incline press 185x2,245x2,275x2x3, 300x1........right arm only pushpress 85lb dbell 3 sets of 5.........pullthrus 3x5 heavy as possible.....bi- tri 3x10 each......reverse hypers w.25lb plate 2x10......45lb plate twists 2x10...45lb plate side bends 2x10 each..........done....enjoy....I gotta go lie down.
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Posted By: Pingleton
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 8:50am
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WARNING:
Do not attempt this at home. Athlete shown was a professional athlete. Failure to heed this warning will certainly result in exhaustion, and may result in injury, or even death.
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Posted By: Pingleton
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 9:05am
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Those of you who are not freaky weight-room gods could try something like this instead:
Hang Snatch (38” grip, minimal dip at catch) – 115x5, 135x3, 155x2, 165x2, 175x1, 185x1x3
Front Squat (deep, 100% raw) – 185x3, 225x3, 275x2, 315x1, 345x1, 365x1, 315x3x3 (explosively)
Seated jumps onto box – 34”x1, 42”x1, 44.5”x4
Plate Twists - 45# x10/side x3 sets
At least pretend to stretch a bit. Go home and eat. Repeat as desired.
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 9:37am
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M-BAAB wrote:
start w. low pulley swivels (mimicing weight throws)4x5 - get crazy/heavy widit.......hammer pull downs off a high pulley 4x5....go to that pushpress thing that Don and Pete were talking about - feet placed in braemar stance - 156x3,198x3(I was feeling it out)242x3,264x2,286x2........zerchs 156x3,264x3,308x2,364x2,396x2.......18" deads 364x2,480x2,600x1......... snatch grip rapid deads from floor 264x5x5.......bar incline press 185x2,245x2,275x2x3, 300x1........right arm only pushpress 85lb dbell 3 sets of 5.........pullthrus 3x5 heavy as possible.....bi- tri 3x10 each......reverse hypers w.25lb plate 2x10......45lb plate twists 2x10...45lb plate side bends 2x10 each..........done....enjoy....I gotta go lie down. |
That is more volume in one workout than i do in three weeks. Seriously.
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Posted By: Bert Sorin
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 10:09am
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WOW Baab. That is unreal. I agree with C Smith, that is a few weeks of volume for me too. If I did that in one day, ya'll would never hear from me again. Baab, you are a scary man if you can do that, and still have the strength you buckle a kilt with in a month.
------------- In Strength and Throws,
Bert
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Posted By: Roy Bogue
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 11:50am
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Unreal. Your nervous system will take a minimum of a full week to recover. I think he is trying to falsely motivate his competitors to overtrain. 
Might work on the younguns but remember Baabster, with age comes wisdom!
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 11:53am
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are you guys shittin' me?.........I'm gonna do something like it again Saturday..... ya'll are the ones w. the "freaky athletic skills" to get by on so little work.....if I don't kill it every chance I get- it's straight to the masters forever......Peter - great jumps and fronts......Coool One - I'm just tryin' to "be like Craig"....Bert- how can you throw so far w. so little volume/work?that's "scary" to me...................I'm beginning to think the only thing I got "blessed" with is a psycho German work ethic.........I mean seriously guys - I just mowed the grass front and back yards after lunch/workout and came up to check NASGA.....this ain't fair.
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Posted By: Roy Bogue
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 11:57am
I don't think your Human, but in a good way.
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Posted By: Jason Pauli
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 12:06pm
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I believe ya' Mike.
This Saturday is 100+ miles on the bike starting before the sun comes up and then a 5k race that night.
Mind over matter baby.
------------- Team Pauli - You never walk alone
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Posted By: Roy Bogue
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 12:18pm
I'm just glad you took that rediculous picture of yourself out of your avatar and put in that good looking kid instead. He must get his looks from Mom.
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Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 1:43pm
Yea Mike, you need to ease up, rest, coast, drop the poundage, lower the reps, lessen the intensity. Look at some flowers and listen to some Jewel. That is what we all are doing.
------------- Mule
Sportkilt AST Sport Supplements
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Posted By: Jason Pauli
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 3:48pm
My next avatar will be of either my abs or my veiny calves or quads.
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Posted By: meat
Date Posted: 6/12/07 at 11:57pm
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Baab....What the hell are you doing! 
I haven't even seen the gym in a month....my training for now will be trying to pick up the dumbbells and load the bar for my clients!
Apparently the Texas heat does things things like this to certain people.......
------------- Let'em Fly, Brother!-The Polish Prince
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 12:33am
Dead serious Baab. You wanna see two weeks of my training journal? Nothing close to your volume....
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Posted By: david barron
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 1:20am
I don't even have to lift anymore. I just look at Baab's training and my body goes into shock. Thanks!
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Posted By: MJurkoic
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 2:02am
Call me crazy but I totally agree with Mike B's training philosophy.
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Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 2:39am
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Let us see that 10 pack, that is counting the little ones right below the sternum.
------------- Mule
Sportkilt AST Sport Supplements
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Posted By: AlDargie
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 2:50am
MJurkoic wrote:
Call me crazy but I totally agree with Mike B's training philosophy. |
Crazy
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Posted By: MJurkoic
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 3:03am
Wise arse!
------------- Loki: I have an army. Tony Stark: We have a Hulk.
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Posted By: Bert Sorin
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 3:55am
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Baab, If I did that much volume, I would have to make a fake birth cert. so I could compete in the masters, for that is the only place I would be able to hold my own after that. (no offense to the current masters, of course).
My volume right now:
this past Saturday: compete
Sunday: Rest and anti inflams, lots of food, contrast showers
Monday: Rest, rev hyper 3x10, massage stick 3xlegs, arms and back
tues: throws drills inside in front of mirror (to work on some technical things I noticed from this weekend) Triplex Pulls 150lb.-250lb. 3x3x3, Seated Hurricane Press 4x5 135lb., Bench press 225x3, 245x3, 265x3, 285x3, 315x2, stretch, go eat.
wed: deep tissue massage, rest
I will train thursday (throw and lift), rest friday and sat, train hard on sunday (I expect Big throws then).
Anyway, that is what I am doing.
------------- In Strength and Throws,
Bert
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Posted By: Jason Pauli
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 4:10am
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Bert, how do you do the contrasting showers?
I've read here and there about alternating hot tub and ice tub to promote recovery and wanted to try something like that. But for some reason I don't have a hot tub OR and ice tub.
I never thought about using the shower though.
------------- Team Pauli - You never walk alone
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 4:14am
Been thinking about ya'lls reaction to a "normal" workout. This day is absolutely nothing compared to the old days. Anyone remember 100 rep squat days ? That's 20 hard sets of 5. Did it for bench all the time too.Football practices that lasted 4 hours in 100 + where all you did was hit,hit,hit.....and it was the second practice of the day.And no, we weren't taking roids. I've always wondered why so many of you track studs never played football and I'm beginning to think that it was because "real" studs go throw far or play basketball and no or little talent kids w. some size go become offensive lineman.Serious work can make that semi talented kid a star as a guard or center.Of course, growing up in Texas 5 miles from Cowboy stadium when Dallas was winning Superbowls all the time "might" have had some influence.I remember Coach Bear Bingham saying in 7th grade " Son, ya got some size but watchin' you run makes me hurt. This here is the weightroom boy - your new home". Great advice for a scrawny gangly kid.I vowed to always do TWICE what the days workout was and to always be the last one out of the weightroom. Guess that's the only reason I was successful in Football .The same approach to Highland sports seems to be the only way to fight off Father Time - the F*cker.I tried a throwers approach last year and sucked.As DR. Bill says "Might = Flight" I wish I could train like you studs and stay competitive , but it just won't work.....Saturday will be a tasty menu of hi pulls, fronts, sled pulling and snatches - I can't wait - BigMatt and Hack - I wish we lived close - I kill off all my training partners - go get 'em you track studs - I am totally impressed by ya'll.
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Posted By: Pingleton
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 4:18am
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Jason,
The shower works great. Alternate hot shower temp with water as cold as you can stand it, every 45 seconds or so, always ending with cold. It's not too bad on the legs, which are probably the most important, but can be very "invigorating" on the back, chest, etc. until you get used to it. Feels awesome afterwards though, and is supposedly a significant recovery aid. In your case, this would be excellent after a long run or hard interval session. By the way, the sooner this takes place after training, the better.
Peter.
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 4:58am
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M-BAAB wrote:
track studs
I tried a throwers approach last year and sucked
go get 'em you track studs |
Watch who you're calling names...
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 5:30am
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Cool One - "apologies" - I know you're and old baller - You would have made a hell of a Lbacker.
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Posted By: Bert Sorin
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 5:40am
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Baab, Thanks for the kudos, but I am not the one who played football in the NFL, that quite an accomplishment. Especially since most of the guys who endured that pounding for years now do nothing in the way of exercise. I admire the hell out of you. Reminds me of my Pop. He pulled a hammie yesterday doing heavy cheat curls (57 years old), he used his knee wraps to wrap it with an ice pack, and finished his sets on the curl machine.
I put in a lot of hours of over-training when I was in college. It built a nice base, but I finally had to realize I was not built to do huge workloads and still perform well. I like to train hard and 4-5 days per week, but it does not help my throws, or even high-end lifts for that matter.
I came to the realization one day that in looking back at my training I have NEVER been negatively effected by taking one day extra of rest or being under-trained, but I have many times become injured, sick, or over trained by taking one or two days too many. So.... by that formula, I always hedge on the side of under training vs. over-training, because I know I will always be fresh, and each practice will be effective in re-inforcing good habits and far throws. I cannot throw very far if I am hurt. There is ALWAYS a chance if I am rested.
As expressed before by others on this board, do what worked for you, lets you throw far, and most importantly, you have fun with.
Throw far everyone,
Bert
------------- In Strength and Throws,
Bert
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 5:55am
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Bert - gotcha. Remember boys - I'm starting my summer off-season - we're done for games 'till October. Who wants to go to a festival in 100+ ? We actually have 2 games in August in Houston for gawds sakes - but they're strictly for the suicidal - of course, I went last year . I stop lifting a week and a half before games and only toss. The week of the game is a full game type tossing on the Saturday before and a little speed stuff Wed or Thu. SO, CSmith and Bert lifting/throwing that hard the week of a game (see Craig's other post and Bert above) impresses the hell out me . Ah youth wasted on the young. Go get 'em children........Bert , I wanna meet you and your pops some day.
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Posted By: 17/20
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 6:54am
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M/B -Wed. 40 yd sprints x6, 20 yd low hurdlesx6, 20-30 min. stretch hips, low back , shoulders , hammies. To the Training Hall - Snatch Hi-Pull 325x3,350x2,375x1,325x3,350x2,375x1. Med Ball Toss for htx6 with 45 lb ball (standing), Good Morning Squat Jump (deep, deep) @220,5x2 Speed Bench w/ Chains 205,w120lb chains. Thrus-lt stonex6, lt hammer x6, drill w/ 35 lb wt fr. dist. FRI/SAT Rest and stretch. Sun. lt stone x3, both wts x3/3 , lt hammer x6 - going for numbers . Will compete the following Sat. Not sure about the following week at this point.
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Posted By: Hapy
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 7:05am
Peter,
What is a "seated jump onto box"?
Also, some good stuff on recovery techniques in this thread...
Mike, what do you do the day after? As I get older, it seems like I am more
sore after a workout and my recovery time is a lot longer than it used to be.
------------- Real Men Wear Purple
Tinky Winky Throw Far!
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Posted By: Pingleton
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 7:45am
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Hapy,
A seated jump onto box is a version of a box jump where you begin the jump seated on a small box or a bench, take your weight off your feet, then slam them down into the floor and jump up onto a (hopefully) much higher box placed about 3 feet or so in front of you. This is more difficult than a typical box jump intiated from a standing postion with a little step or hop before the jump. It obviously makes you start the jump from a much deeper position, which would be good for the WFH at least. These were done after a lower body workout, which is not necessarily the best time, and certainly not the best if you are going for a big jump, but I felt like I needed to get some spring back in my legs after the front squats. When I use a reasonably high box (42"++), these really freak out the nice people at my gym. Because of this, if I want to push it I will sometimes do a jump series instead, which involves jumping off a short (14") box, OVER a 34" bench (ideally clearing it by a foot or so), then up onto another bench (24") landing in a quarter squat position or higher. I only started doing this stuff again a few weeks ago, after a short hiatus of about 21 years. But I used to do a lot of hurdle hops and bounding when I was throwing. When you get to the point where you can hop over a series of 5-6 high hurdles (38"-42") spaced a few feet apart, you feel like you are flying. It's a great feeling, and great preparation for throwing far (technique aside, of course). Ease into this stuff, especially if you are heavier or older.
http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_BoxJumpVariations.wmv - http://media.crossfit.com/cf-video/CrossFit_BoxJumpVariation s.wmv
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Posted By: Bert Sorin
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 7:46am
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Jason,
As far as contrast showers go, like Peter said, hot as you can stand it, cold as you can stand it, repeat.
We have started doing ice baths right after training and stretching, folloed by a hot shoer at the gym, ending on cool.
As for the ice bath, we got a 100 gallong Rubbermade tub at Tractor Supply Store for $70, and a large cooler from walmart $40. When you are on the way to the gym, swing by the gas station and pick up 20lb. of ice bags, throw them in the cooler to keep until after workout. Afterwards, throw ice in tub, fill with hose water and submerge like a hippo. We have a little porch area where we do strongman stuff at the back of our facility, so we have the tub there. All you need after that is one of those sun reflector for your face, some tunes, a drink with an umbrella in it, and you can recover from anything.
------------- In Strength and Throws,
Bert
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 7:59am
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17/20 - I figured you were ready to blast off by now - good luck...hurdles???......Hapy - I usually just stretch, go for a walk, take a hot bath, MAYBE do some snatch grip fast deads - usually not. Mostly rest. 2nd day after is when the sntch fast deads get done.
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Posted By: kgb1
Date Posted: 6/13/07 at 5:01pm
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Baab,
Most folks probably don't realize how good your diet is. Real oatmeal, not that instant crap, for breakfast. Drinking water and green tea all day, no booze or soft drinks, etc. I know since my diet has gotten better, my training has gotten better. Nutrition and recovery are a big part of the equation.
Rick
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Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 6/14/07 at 3:00am
Sauna 3 min and cold shower for 3 min, 3 rounds of this and I am clean at least.
------------- Mule
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 6/14/07 at 11:54am
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Eat to win baby...start now or you'll spend your 40's and 50's making up for what you did to your body in your 20's and 30's.
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