Z skwats....
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Topic: Z skwats....
Posted By: C. Smith
Subject: Z skwats....
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 1:47am
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I've been chasing this # for a long time....finally got it. http://www.kiltedthrower.com/video/605.wmv - http://www.kiltedthrower.com/video/605.wmv
Also, there are other new vids up @ kiltedthrower.com with more coming soon. |
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Posted By: AncientOne
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 2:53am
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C- Very cool! You're an inspiration. Good luck in your training, -K ------------- Winners are remarkably adept at figuring out what's required to win. |
Posted By: weaselking
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 4:25am
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Oh, so THAT'S a Zercher. ------------- We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. - Ayn Rand |
Posted By: BillB
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 5:28am
Nice lift Craig ------------- Vae Victus |
Posted By: kiltedrussian66
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 7:58am
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Phenomenal lift Craig.. I can see where that lift has a direct carry over to the caber also... ------------- "Never walk away from home ahead of your axe and sword.You can't feel a battle in your bones or foresee a fight."-Viking saying |
Posted By: northsider
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 9:15am
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so i have a question, what's the difference between the Zercher squat and a front squat, as far as muscle groups worked and benefits? Whenever I do front squats, or what I thought were front squats, i ususally hold the bar like that because my wrists have problems holding the bar higher. Am I missing out on something, or is that fine? ------------- Wade Halverson "The Highlander was a documentary shown in real time" |
Posted By: Eclipse
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 10:09am
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Very impressive lifting Craig. We all followed your lead last season with front squats and improved our throws. This season with the zercher we will all be looking to shatter our PR's. ------------- "Somewhere in Russia, a little girl is warming up with your max." - Anonymous "Do not demand what you can not take by force." |
Posted By: Jason Pauli
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 3:45pm
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Yeah, yeah, yeah... that was pretty impressive alright. But if you don't show on the 19th with a few cases of Powerbars for me and Jimbo then we're done being impressed! ------------- Team Pauli - You never walk alone |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 4:58pm
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You're seriously holding the bar in the crook of your elbows? For a "front"? ------------- |
northsider wrote:Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 5:00pm
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Thanks alot everyone! Bob - do them, the PRs will fall. Jason - i will be there, with plenty of goods. I sent your dad an email today actually. ------------- |
Posted By: northsider
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 5:08pm
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yeah, it seems to hurt less there. Mind you this, I basically just started squating this year and even then, I couldn't do back squats because i couldn't get my arms back without some crazy shoulder pain, so I did "fronts," but when I put the weight high, the pain in my shoulder came back, so i put it lower... ------------- Wade Halverson "The Highlander was a documentary shown in real time" |
Posted By: Coach Mac
Date Posted: 5/09/07 at 7:38pm
SORRY Craiger...you wore wraps....3-red liights .... ------------- Have a GREAT Day ! Rob " Coach Mac " Mac Kay |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/10/07 at 12:52am
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Posted By: The Jayster
Date Posted: 5/10/07 at 2:21pm
| great job craig, gotta try those leg day tomorrow! |
Posted By: Trainerterry
Date Posted: 5/11/07 at 7:24am
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Craig...I cannot believe you spelled "squats" wrong. You have always been on the ball with respects to grammar and spell check. ------------- "A man has to know his limitations" - Detective Harold Callahan |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/13/07 at 6:01am
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oh my....i didn't even see it....i'm so ashamed.
Edit: Fixed now. ------------- |
Posted By: steeletosser
Date Posted: 5/18/07 at 7:40am
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Craig , I was nice to get to meet you at Loch Norman . I see now where you get those big a$$ legs great lift bro . -Steeletosser a.k.a Glenn . ------------- Put away your mirror and oil . This aint no bodybuilding boy . |
Posted By: Snider
Date Posted: 5/19/07 at 2:33pm
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great lift.. Almost catching up to buddy hulls bench press.. Hes topping the 700 bench..
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/21/07 at 1:41am
Ahemm......."Shirt Press". Big difference. ------------- |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 5/21/07 at 3:55am
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No matter how good you do, someone always has to come up with, yea, that is great, but you should see so and so. Craig doing a raw Zerker is just like some guy going camping in a canvass tent and while he is there doing a bench? |
Posted By: Cameron
Date Posted: 5/21/07 at 6:01am
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Craig that was a great lift indeed. Wonder if you felt in the company of the Strongman folks who do the Conan Carry - I believe they use about 600 pounds. ------------- |
Posted By: TehCelticLifter
Date Posted: 5/21/07 at 2:56pm
i realize your intent was to praise craig, but you do realize comparing a 600lb zercher and a 600lb conan carry is beyond preposterous? akin to congratulating andy bolton on his 1003 deadlift then asking if he felt in the company of all the strongmen who do car/silver dollar deadlifts with straps from mid thigh with 1000. just the feat of walking out backwards and supporting 600 for a zercher squat is an entirely different animal than holding a 600 conan that's lever supported where you can lean back into the apparatus. not to mention squatting in this bastard position. |
Posted By: Snider
Date Posted: 5/21/07 at 3:19pm
True but still bet 99.9% of the people on this board cant do 700 with or without a shirt.. Except for D. Brown still that was a HUGH Z lift... ------------- |
Posted By: Snider
Date Posted: 5/21/07 at 3:23pm
you know me Myles... its all about motivation ------------- |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/21/07 at 3:39pm
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TehCelticLifter - thank you. Soooo true.... like comparing apples and lemonade. Snider - you said bet ------------- |
Posted By: David Schultz
Date Posted: 5/21/07 at 4:24pm
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Great lift Craig! I might have to try some of those! ------------- |
Posted By: Snider
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 12:53am
I can even hit a 315 Z ... it hurts my lil arm. ------------- |
Posted By: Cameron
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 4:56am
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Yes, my intent was to praise Craig. Excuse my "preposterous" comparison. Nice Lift Craig. ------------- |
Posted By: Pingleton
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 6:23am
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Craig, First, nice lift. Second, what do you feel are the advantages/benefits of doing Zercher's as opposed to front squats? I am just curious as I have never done them before or even personally known anyone who has ever done them. How long does it take your arms to get used to holding the bar like that? Peter.
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 6:33am
Peter - Craig does Zerchers 'cause he can't put a bar on his shoulders (personal issue from a cheerleader lifting incident years ago....I just can't go into it  too painful)....he got me hooked on them a few years back ...you will never,ever have a stronger core or erectors or quads...use a pussy pad and it's not so bad....it's a change up for fronts - he's good at those too....will freak out fellow gym people.
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Posted By: Pingleton
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 6:56am
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Thanks Mike. I should have known they were in your "mix" How is your training going so far relative to all those lifting and throwing PRs you were hoping for back in January? I am a bit behind schedule myself. I kind of neglected to factor in the increased recovery time and slower progress involved when one is 40+ as opposed to 20+. The 405 front squat (deep and 100% raw) is looking very unlikely this season, but 385 should happen by Saline. We'll see what happens in the weight room over the next 6 weeks or so, and more importantly, what happens on the field at Alma, Saline, and Detroit. I am hoping to learn how to throw in the period between Alma and Saline... Good training. Peter. |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 7:13am
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Peter- 42 wob conventional standing PR of 19' (best in 4 years) and smacked 20' twice- it will fall this fall , 15.3 56 wob - best in 5 years - hoping for 16' this year , best 42 throw ever 51.9,a 70' 28 throw, matched sheaf PR last week- I would say the offseason was a success. After the Texas games in early June, it's back to the gym for 3.5 months - we go into a summer off-season - getting stronger for the MWC in late Sept.Fronts, zerchs, Timmermans, hi pulls , snatches , step ups , pushpress, Russian twists 'till I die or get stronger.
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 9:48am
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Peter - they are just entirely different than a front squat. The core is worked so much more with a zercher vs. a front. Like Baab said, everything gets hit, upper back, traps, etc.... I even used an 8ft. bar for the 605, just to add a little more core to it. Walking it out and stabilizing that is good for what we do. that being said, i do front squat also. If you've never done a Zercher, you really just need to do it to fully appreciate it. Use a little bit of padding and your arm will never even notice it.......much
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 9:52am
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Geez....i thought we said we were never going to bring that up again? I wasn't going to bring up trying to lift you and you weren't going to bringing up your fetish of wearing cheerleader outfits. It's like i don't even know you anymore Mike... ------------- |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 9:55am
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Thanks again to everyone! ------------- |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 10:49am
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Craig,Craig,Craig...no,no,no....I said I like to GET inside cheerleader uniforms....not wear them......you're the one always braggin' about your pushpress abilities...and I was braggin' about being able to do the splits both ways and...well....one thing led to another...still got that bald spot on your head?....I said I was sorry. |
Posted By: MJurkoic
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 10:57am
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Mike, can you explain what a Timmerman is? ------------- Loki: I have an army. Tony Stark: We have a Hulk. |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 11:11am
| BIGMATT- It's like a jumping goodmorning squat...bar on shoulders , compacting yourself as far down as possible and dynamically exploding up and out , landing and immediately rebounding up - I do sets of 5 - start really light(the bar) to get used to it.All about speed and bounce - lots of us are really strong, but need really explosive more . You WILL throw wob higher if you have a steady diet of these in your program. |
Posted By: MJurkoic
Date Posted: 5/22/07 at 5:02pm
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Thank you, Mike. I wll definitely try them out. ------------- Loki: I have an army. Tony Stark: We have a Hulk. |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/23/07 at 2:37am
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Posted By: weaselking
Date Posted: 5/23/07 at 3:56am
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So are Zerchers a bigger bang for your buck than overheads? ------------- We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. - Ayn Rand |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 5/23/07 at 4:45am
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Zerk is a cross of front and deads. More haunch than fronts. And of course that crazy holding the thing with the arms, I don't feel the weight crushing them kind of thing. I have not seen anyone come close, I mean neighborhood even with C on this. And trust me I have been in the dungeon and tried everything to get in that area. Nope. |
Posted By: Hammer Head
Date Posted: 5/23/07 at 4:09pm
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Craig, looked real good bro. Glad you finally nailed it. Keep goin now! 700 soon!
Buddy Hull |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 5/24/07 at 4:38am
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Myles - thanks brother. He's right, it's really something you've just gotta do to really understand. Buddy - thanks! You get that 700 shirt press yet? ------------- |
Posted By: Hammer Head
Date Posted: 5/28/07 at 7:54am
| Not yet Craig. Did a real nice 665 though. Im creapin on it...... |