High Pull Grip
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Topic: High Pull Grip
Posted By: thegnome
Subject: High Pull Grip
Date Posted: 1/06/05 at 5:06am
| When doing high pulls is it better to use a clean or snatch grip, or is it best to mix it up a bit? |
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Posted By: Tim Pinkerton
Date Posted: 1/06/05 at 6:42am
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Mix it up. ------------- "Big ain't Strong...Strong is Strong." Visit our training page at: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Get-U-Fit-Training-Systems/119414814828174 - http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Get-U-Fit-Training-Systems/ 119414814828174 |
Posted By: Coach Mac
Date Posted: 1/06/05 at 3:18pm
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IF and I repeat "if" this lifter head was back (looking
at the ceiling) he would be in the BEST bio- mechanical postion for the THROW...we call it the reverse - C - position... looks like this " ) " We truly feel that the PATERNS that you develop in the wt. room carry over to the FIELD !!! The classical lifting technique for the POWER lifts SLOW maximum bench (chin on chest...assistance GEAR ect)...SLOW back squats (don't mimic leg/back/hip postions during the THROW)...SLOW deads traditional deads and the Oly lifts with the weightlifting tecnique of the DROP in both Oly lifts will improve your THROWING...! However, I'm addressing OPTIMAL TRAINING !!! I'll try to upload a picture of a good throwing reverse ) position to illustrate ! P>S> HELP...does anyone have an answer for HOW to upload images over 150-200 kb ? ------------- Have a GREAT Day ! Rob " Coach Mac " Mac Kay |
Posted By: big MAC
Date Posted: 1/06/05 at 10:04pm
 very small, but I thought this would be a good one from a shotputter, Nadine Kleinert, 2nd in Athens olympics------------- |
Posted By: Coach Mac
Date Posted: 1/10/05 at 7:03am
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GREAT pic...I have a training tape of te Germans
putters training in San Diego and on it they take about 75% of their throws "dry",,,in other word...just foot work so the positions are AUTO_NOMIC...! One other things on the grip....I would say to VARY the postions of the pulls (see the website) and you want the LONGEST application of FORCE ! We do a lot of Hammer Snatches and Hungarian Rhytym snatch as well, ------------- Have a GREAT Day ! Rob " Coach Mac " Mac Kay |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 1/10/05 at 7:59am
Coach Mac- help me out here - what's a hammer snatch and a hungarian - hell, i can't spell that word either- ? 
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Posted By: Coach Mac
Date Posted: 1/11/05 at 8:49am
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-Coach Mac- help me out here - what's a hammer snatch and a hungarian....I have pic's...headed out the door to train...Hammer Snatch...SHOUDER WIDTH grip...thsi will make the movement (application of force) LONGER...it will reduce the wt ...! Try to mimic the finsih postion of the hammer...head up EYES up...! Rythym Hungarian Snatch...mulitple level pull...since I coach the 4-turn (3 -rep is good as well) Pull rep one from the shin to the chest...rep -2 from mid below the knee to shoulders...rep -3 from mid thigh to fore-head...rep 4 from crotch to lock out...try to FEEL the rythym of the throw...ect. I would suggest precents in the 45-55% of MAX...ENJOY ! ------------- Have a GREAT Day ! Rob " Coach Mac " Mac Kay |
Posted By: shawnf
Date Posted: 1/12/05 at 2:38pm
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Can someone explain the difference between the two grips: clean snatch I'm still in the process of learning all of this, and reading when I can. I thought they were both overhand grips. ------------- |
Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 1/12/05 at 3:14pm
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Ah, they are, but the grip width is the thing. A clean grip is roughly shoulder width (usually plus a couple of inches, so your hands land at the right position when you rack the bar on your delts). A snatch grip is quite a bit wider, and depends on how big you are (mostly, arm length). For most people, a snatch grip puts the bar about 6" above your head with your arms straight. -Wayne ------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
Posted By: shawnf
Date Posted: 1/12/05 at 5:20pm
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Gotcha. Thanks Wayne. Now to go one step further, the
difference between the grips is the final movement so to speak. The clean grip is used primarily for pressing. Clean it to delts, then press up? The snatch grip is to lower the overall height and to allow yourself to get under the bar and grasp/snatch it in place at the end of it's upwards movement over your head? What I thought was a clean-snatch I think turns out to be of a bastardized version of the clean-press with a bit of who knows added in. Compared to the VP weightraining video. What I thought was a clean-snatch was to power clean it to delts, then "throw" it above shoulders and snatch it. One leg going back so as to put you into a semi-lunge position. Slightly wider than shoulder width grip as well. Apologies if this seems too basic, I've never been shown the proper ways to do Olympic lifts. I found some short vids off of exrx.net and some other places that didn't give very good angles or clarity of videos. Thanks again. ------------- |
Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 1/13/05 at 1:31am
Well, the clean grip is chosen to optimize catching the bar at the shoulders. For most people, it's not a bad grip for pressing or jerking (although some Oly lifters regrip in the bounce after recovering their clean).
Yeah, pretty much. Too wide a grip makes it difficult to fix the weight overhead, but a wide grip makes the final bar height lower and makes it easier to keep your arms straight during the transition from the pull to the catch.
It sounds like you mean a clean and jerk. A proper snatch is one continuous motion from the floor to fixing the bar overhead (although it involves a number of discernible phases of motion). If it's at all possible, it would be very helpful for you to get some coaching with the lifts. If you live in an Oly wasteland (as I do), you might try to look at lots of video, read books, and get advice from knowledgeable people. Doing this, you can develop serviceable quick lifts that will help your HG performance, but you'd never get good enough at it to compete well as an Olympic lifter. If there's a single piece of advice all Oly lifters should keep in mind, it's this: keep the bar close to your body. Ideally, it should brush your thighs on each lift. -Wayne ------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
shawnf wrote:Posted By: Tim Pinkerton
Date Posted: 1/13/05 at 4:47am
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Mmmmm....snatches are good...and good for you. Have I ever mentioned I love the snatch. -Bag Snatchwell ------------- "Big ain't Strong...Strong is Strong." Visit our training page at: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Get-U-Fit-Training-Systems/119414814828174 - http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Get-U-Fit-Training-Systems/ 119414814828174 |
Posted By: shawnf
Date Posted: 1/16/05 at 10:24am
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Wayne, thanks again for the information. I worked on the
differences between the various lifts on Friday. Definately a
ways to go... Now to figure out a new routine today so I can get
going on it tomorrow. Can't say I have any real aspirations to become a competitive Olympic lifter, but I do plan to become as good of a HG competitor as possible. Can one surgicly replace slow twitch with fast twitch muscles?  ------------- |
Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 1/16/05 at 11:19am
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To some extent, you can convert slow to fast through training *.
The extent to which this is possible depends on your athletic history,
age, and genetics. * It's really more complicated than that: the fiber type is largely determined by genetics, but the BEHAVIOR (fast twitch vs slow twitch) of a given fiber can be changed through training. -Wayne ------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |