Hook grip
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Topic: Hook grip
Posted By: rgriffis
Subject: Hook grip
Date Posted: 12/09/04 at 4:51am
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Does everyone use the hook grip for weights for distance, or are there some guys strong enough to hold on to the weights without a hook grip?
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Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 12/09/04 at 5:53am
Vierra doesn't use the hook grip. 'nuff said.
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Cheers,
Carlos
"Live free or die"
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Posted By: Skullsplitter
Date Posted: 12/09/04 at 10:22am
But I do believe that Ryan uses a glove and tacky, obviating the need for the hook grip. This topic comes up every year. The hook grip is a way to get a better grip and requires practice but can help. Some use and some don't so try it and see for yourself.
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"I am the thread, the pupil, and the eye of the needle is my teacher"
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Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 12/09/04 at 12:18pm
True.
If you're going to try it, lay your thumb next to the handle, rather
than wrapping over it much. Then lay the other fingers over the
thumb. Otherwise, you can end up really beating up your thumb (I
had a bruise at first that took > a month to clear up until I
realized this was the cause).
I use the middle and ring fingers to wrap the thumb with the weight for
distance, but use the fore and middle fingers with a bar. Other
people find different combinations of fingers comfortable.
I also wrap my thumb with tape to protect it in throwing, but don't
need to do this with a bar. In throwing, I use some tacky around
the thumbnail to help the fingers keep a secure wrap.
-Wayne
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"We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby
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Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 12/10/04 at 4:33am
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Gloves are not allowed in Scotland. Many times when I am throwing with Ryan he doesn't use a glove. As far as tacky goes, I hardly know anyone (hook or no hook) who doesn't use tacky with the weights (the only exception being that most novice throwers do not seem to like tacky on the weights since it sometimes causes them a hard time releasing).
Incidentally, in my experience it is much harder to hold on with a glove.
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Cheers,
Carlos
"Live free or die"
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Posted By: Skullsplitter
Date Posted: 12/10/04 at 10:47am
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All good points, Carlos. Again this is probably highly individual. I tried the glove but had to give it up. I still hook grip and tape my fingers with tacky on the tape. Better feel and control.
PS Ryan could use tape, no tape, tacky, no tacky, glove, no glove and still throw the weights to the moon.
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"I am the thread, the pupil, and the eye of the needle is my teacher"
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Posted By: grasshopper
Date Posted: 12/11/04 at 3:40am
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I use glove and tacky. Tried hook grip and felt funny. My fingers are too short and fat to work I think. Just throw alot of 56 to get the grip strong.
TROB
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Posted By: JWC III
Date Posted: 12/15/04 at 6:27am
I feel the hook grip allows me to keep my arm more relaxed and straight as well as the whole better grip deal. I often train with a regular grip and catch myself bending my elbow as I bear down on the grip.
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Thom Van Vleck
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 12/15/04 at 7:02am
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Never hooked 'till this year - tried every combination in the world - gloves,tack,chalk,tape,etc- in an effort to hold on to the 56 in wfd - finally made myself hook and problems are all gone...and PR'd all wfd 'cause arm was relaxed and could pull like hell and not blow out.Everybody is different.
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Posted By: the keyser
Date Posted: 12/17/04 at 4:39pm
I am switching to the Hook Grip this winter. Since I am starting to understand how to throw, I am starting to blow out. The faster you get, the harder it is to hold on. I am sure the transition will suck!
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David Keyser
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Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 12/18/04 at 2:57am
The thing you may not appreciate yet is that if you're grip limited you
tend not to throw as hard as you can. Anyone who's deadlifted
heavy with and without chalk will know what I mean: with grip
problems, the bar feels heavier. Fixing your grip can help you
achieve your real capabilities.
-Wayne
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"We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby
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Posted By: JeremiahStrand
Date Posted: 12/20/04 at 10:54am
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When you switch to the hook grip, it will hurt for a while. You just need to live through the pain for the first few sessions, but don't ease up on them. When I first started throwing with the hook, it hurt for a couple of sessions, but then my thumb went numb for about a week and after that it was no problem.
I would recommendtaping the thumb, but becareful around the thumb nail, I have almost ripped mine off. Also try some tacky over the tape on the thumb, it seems to work well for me.
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 12/20/04 at 11:43am
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Also, try a little double-sided carpet tape around the thumb - a little cushioning and a little sticky. Works great and a roll last a year - and no lovely lady chewin' yer ass for getting tacky all over the place.
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Posted By: JWC III
Date Posted: 12/22/04 at 10:11am
I, too, have had the problem with ripping the top layer of my thumbnail off or bruising it with the hook grip. I used it all summer and have spent all fall growing my full thumbnail back. What's some ways to tape the thumb to avoid this. The only thing I seem to use that nail for is opening cans, so its not a big loss, but if there's a better way.......
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Thom Van Vleck
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Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 12/22/04 at 11:23am
First of all, I find it much better to lay the thumb along the side of
the handle, rather than lapping it over. If you do it like this
<holds up hand with thumb in "just-right" position> you get a
good grip and it doesn't hurt much (but you still need tape).
Anyway, here's my taping technique:
- If it's hot out, spray a thin coat of baseball tacky (or
equivalent) to the thumb all around. Allow to dry before
taping. This helps avoid the "tape flying with the weight"
syndrome.
- Lay one strip of tape from the base of your thumb, along the
top of your thumb, wrapping over tip of thumb, and back toward the
palm. It doesn't need or want to go beyond the thumb. It
helps a lot if you bend your thumb tip 30 degrees or so as you do this,
so the tape won't be stretched when your thumb is in the right position.
- Lay a second strip along the inside of the thumb (between thumb and forefinger), over the tip and along the other side.
- Squish the loose flaps together over your thumb.
- Take a third strip and wrap it around the base of your thumb a
couple of times, reasonably tightly. This will hold the other two
strips in place. In fact, all of the tape so far has been
intended to form a stable base that won't come flying off (especially
important when your hand sweats).
- Here's the part that does the work. Lay on 2-3 layers of
tape, each about 6-8" long, thusly: starting on the nail/first
joint, with the free end angled about 45 degrees away from the thumb
and out away from your wrist, wrap it around the first joint and back
over the knuckle (uh, does anybody follow that?). It's helpful to
bend the thumb as you apply this to avoid stretching the tape.
- Apply a small amount of Brock's Magic Tacky <TM> to the thumbnail area of the tape, and you're good to go.
Let me know if this isn't clear.
-Wayne
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"We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby
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Posted By: JeremiahStrand
Date Posted: 12/22/04 at 2:12pm
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Thom,
The best way that I have found to tape is to put a little bit of tacky at the base of my thumb, then wrap athletic tape(4-5 layers or more!) pretty tight all the way to the base of of the thumbnail. Then flip the tape over so it is sticky part up and continue to wrap all the way over the top of the thumb, then back down, flipping over the tape again to secure it at the base. Tacky up the tape were your fingers will grip against it and you should be good to go.
-Jeremiah
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Posted By: BillB
Date Posted: 12/23/04 at 5:13pm
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I am fairly new to the Games but I have better results without a hook grip.It might be just my inexperience but,I seem to hold on too long when I try the hook.By curling my four fingers around the handle,leaving my thumb fully extended and out of the way,I get better distances albeit no great distances.But I do train my grip on a consistant basis.I weigh about 230 and I hang by fingertips for as long as my tendons will allow me.It's painful but,I haven't had any trouble hanging on to the weights.The 56 is a bugger but,I can't say as I've lost one yet.I have way more trouble with my footwork.Just haven't figured out that double spin thing yet.Anyway,that's my two cents.
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Vae Victus
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Posted By: Steve D
Date Posted: 12/24/04 at 2:28am
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I find that I lose my grip with the 56lb when I pull on the weight during the throw (turn way ahead of the weight). If I push the weight I can still accelerate the weight with out it ripping out of my hand. It might be worth trying instead of going through all the pain and suffering.
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