How much cardio do I really have to do?
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Topic: How much cardio do I really have to do?
Posted By: pfc95
Subject: How much cardio do I really have to do?
Date Posted: 12/08/04 at 2:04am
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I am still in the early stages of throwing and have a question for all of you who already know what you are doing... When I used to power lift, many coaches had told me that long distance cardio workouts (treadmill for 30 mins or similar) would reduce my strength and for the most part I think I noticed that too. I am increasing my cardio as I don't want to die young
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but, I was wondering how much cardio do you guys actually do in a week or cycle.Replies:
Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 12/08/04 at 4:35am
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What is 'cardio'? ------------- Cheers, Carlos "Live free or die" |
Posted By: david barron
Date Posted: 12/08/04 at 5:10am
Kardee-oh. Wasn't that a dance from the 70's? Everybody do the kar-dee-oh!! 
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Posted By: G-man
Date Posted: 12/08/04 at 5:46am
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Some of the guys will say that cardio is evil. I like to integrate speed work sprints and hurdles at the same time as I get a cardio workout. On the track 75m sprint then slow jog on the turn then hurdles on the back straight away (have you ever seen a 270lbs man do hurdles). Another good one I call caber reps. Pick the caber run turn it, and then jog around the field once repeat 10 times! You get cardio and Frankenstein traps at the same time! If you do an hour of lifting whole body lifts you will get cardio as well. I like squat, dumbbell snatches p-cleans and push presses they get my heart thumping. Body builder types are stuck doing everything separate cardio included. When I get done at the lifting my clothes are soaked with sweat my whole body including my heart has been pushed to the max.
Ask coach Mac about cardio (ha-ha…I remember the post about this in the old board that would not die)
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Posted By: meat
Date Posted: 12/08/04 at 1:23pm
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For cardio: Pre-season: longer distance 1 mi. or so keeping the pace up....this will help clear lactic acid biuldup from your legs, increase blood flow for recovery, and keep them loose and flexible. In-season:sprints. Keep it to 200m and under. 50m and under short bursts and not staying at full exerleration for very long. Quick up and quick down.
Hope this helps..... ------------- Let'em Fly, Brother!-The Polish Prince http://www.newenglandstrength.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.newenglandstrength.com/ |
Posted By: Valenti
Date Posted: 12/08/04 at 3:23pm
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no need for cardio...get yourself into the kind of shape where you only need seconds in between sets instead of minutes...start working down from 3 or 4 mn. between sets to 30 sec I do this on my DE days every week and even on my max effort days a one minute break is about the norm. Better then any cardio I have ever done.
Valenti ------------- "All you need in this life is a tremendous sex drive and a great ego...brains don't mean sh!t" Capt. Tony Taracino |
Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 12/09/04 at 3:10am
Word. A friend of mine is a very accomplished powerlifter in Canada. He usually does 2 workouts a day (5 days a week), the longer one with typically 30 (count 'em) short sets. Don't try this at home: he really knows what he's doing in balancing volume, intensity, and frequency. Anyway, by dilligently working at it, he completes that in less than an hour. His rest between sets is about as long as it takes to change plates. -Wayne ------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
Valenti wrote:Posted By: Plaid Dog
Date Posted: 12/09/04 at 3:30am
| Very good advice. |
Posted By: Coach Mac
Date Posted: 12/09/04 at 8:27am
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I'm trying not to post a "STOP the INSANITY" thread
in terms of the practical application of wt-training for THROWING !!!! Lets look at the facts...throwing is a one rep MAXIMUM Effort...normally there is anywhere between 5-minutes to 12-minutes ...REST...between throws. You are using the wt-room to try and get as MUCH power as possible...when you start BL-U-R-R-I-N-G the lines with power lifting /GPP ect. ect. you are headed down the wrong path. We are after the ability to REVERSE our direction and the ability to spend LESS time on the ground and THAT is the differeance between the World class throwers (Elite putters - 200 milli seconds) and others. It is a fact that the NERVOUS system (not muscular) takes anywhere from seconds (small muscle group....ex: wrist curls) too 10-minutes on a MAX effort (MULTIPLE joint movment) I hope it is no surprize that you should NOT be doing a lot of wrist curls in an attempt to THROW really FAR...
...instead...multiple joint movements with a menu of strategies to increase the reversibilty and increase POWER to WEIGHT ratios...! TRAINING EFFECT: doing a lot of slow continuous cardio is in effect...training your intermediate fibers to adapt to this stimulus...even if it's 2-3%...that's a lot on a 150-foot hammer throw...you should stay at the lowest heart -rate -level as possible for the minumum time IF this is a weight to power issue...I would HIGHLY endorse swimming for recovery and less traumatic on the joints...we are called HEAVIES for a reason....grin 6-WEEK results with the "babies".in college..I use this term loosely as there Training Ages are still 1-2-3-years of age...our AVERAGE squat increase the first six weeks - was 280-lbs. The HIGH was 330-lbs...low 250-lbs. this includes women and men. We took stand throws for distance last week and EVERYONE p.r'd (some bye 4-5 feet) and our two women P.R'd on there open SP-marks...I'm assuming that the training is working... 
We are blessed to have a Tendo Unit (Czech technology) that measures the speed of the bar movement and the wattage being produced. This training is VERY much individual and we are finding out that training is VERY much individual and should be pre-scribed that way. Thought for the Day: Our dilemma is that we hate change and love it at the same time; what we really want is for things to remain the same but get better. -Sydney J. Harris ------------- Have a GREAT Day ! Rob " Coach Mac " Mac Kay |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 12/09/04 at 1:35pm
| Limit cardio to commercials and the distance should not be any longer than from the couch to the fridge. Unless it is fourth quarter and then we do the long bathroom route to the fridge. You can go either direction to keep the mind fresh. Speed is clearly key here also. |
Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 12/10/04 at 4:34am
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If you put ice in the toilet tank and store your beer in there then you can save yourself both time and effort. ------------- Cheers, Carlos "Live free or die" |
Posted By: Marc Taylor
Date Posted: 12/10/04 at 6:21am
| I never thought of stocking the toilet for football games before. I like it. |
Posted By: ron b
Date Posted: 12/10/04 at 7:46am
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Do Like I did several years ago.... We were having a superbowl party, had about 6 TV's all connected to cable. Even put one, a 19", in the bathroom and filled the tub with beer and ice!!! Hmmmm, the superbowl is getting closer each day...... ------------- Ron Bradley |