Who wins?
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Topic: Who wins?
Posted By: jimmymac
Subject: Who wins?
Date Posted: 1/28/06 at 11:38am
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The family is out of the house so I have some time to kill. Who finishes in the money in this fantasy highland games? All athletes are at the top of their game and have all received the same 1-month of intensive training from Ryan Vierra. NAME: Akebono SPORT: Sumo Wrestler HEIGHT: 6 feet 8 inch WEIGHT: 484 lbs
NAME: Bo Jackson SPORT: Baseball/Football HEIGHT: 6 feet 2 inch WEIGHT: 225 lbs NAME: Wilt Chamberain SPORT: Basketball HEIGHT: 7 feet 1 inch WEIGHT: 275 lbs NAME: Willie Roaf SPORT: Football HEIGHT: 6 feet 5 inch WEIGHT: 320 lbs NAME: Bruce Jenner SPORT: Track and Field HEIGHT: 6 feet 2 inch WEIGHT: 191 lbs NAME: Alexander Karelin SPORT: Greco-Roman Wrestler HEIGHT: 6 feet 4 inch WEIGHT: 295lbs NAME: Magnus Samuelsson SPORT: Strongman HEIGHT: 6 feet 6 inch WEIGHT: 330 lbs NAME: Paul Anderson SPORT: Olympian, Strongman HEIGHT: 5 feet 9 inch ------------- May the Risen Lord grant that the strength of his life, peace and freedom be experienced everywhere. - B16 |
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Posted By: big MAC
Date Posted: 1/28/06 at 2:19pm
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CoughVirgilius Aleknacough
My money would be on Karelin though. ------------- |
Posted By: Tim
Date Posted: 1/28/06 at 2:29pm
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My bet would be Bruce Jenner as he already has the basic skills of the
sport. However, Bo Jackson would be tough as well with his
natural athletic ability
------------- "Remember, you don't take respect, you can only give it." Myles Wetzel-Forum post 10/2/07 Rock the House |
Posted By: big MAC
Date Posted: 1/28/06 at 2:40pm
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Karelin threw men around like toys. A 56lb weight would be a joke for him. Off the street Jenner would win, with training Karelin would probably make everyone look bad. Samuelsson and Bo Jackson wouldn't do badly either. ------------- |
Posted By: jimmymac
Date Posted: 1/28/06 at 3:23pm
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I did not want to put anyone too obvious like Alekna. I have to agree Karelin is just a freak. ------------- May the Risen Lord grant that the strength of his life, peace and freedom be experienced everywhere. - B16 |
Posted By: G-man
Date Posted: 1/28/06 at 4:49pm
Paul
Anderson the strongest man to ever live and possible the
fastest......remember the Eastern block weight lifters were crap before
Anderson showed they how to squat.........But anderson it to short and
fat right? ya you have to be tall like the best of the best in highland games right?   Ideal Body Type Hmmmmmmmmm ts funny how that works Anderson starts the rise of the Russian weight lifters then Arnold starts the fall of USA strength athletes next Magnus Samuelsson..... Karelin and Jackson are
impressively strong but we are talking about elite strength in
Magnus......Karelin and ------------- http://cghighlander.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Roy Bogue
Date Posted: 1/28/06 at 6:00pm
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It's between BO, and Jenner.
Fun Topic ------------- Donate lately? |
Posted By: dWood
Date Posted: 1/29/06 at 1:30am
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great topic-Karelin with Bo second ------------- JUST BRING IT / SPEED KILLS..BUT STRENGTH PUNISHES |
Posted By: G-man
Date Posted: 1/29/06 at 4:28am
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http://www.chidlovski.net/liftup/images/big_films/og_1956_pa ul_anderson.wmv notice the press at the end, not a jerk or evan a push press  thats insane power you guys are
missin the boat he would rock the 56, 28 with that pull power and the
caber would be history WOB may be a little chalenge with his limited
height but with 1 month to learn CRS would preval !!!!!! If all of them had a year maybe he would be beat but in one month thats about 5-6 days per event CRS and speed would be king!!!!! remember Kaz in the WOB? was that great Bo jackson like grace and speed NO thats Giant Freakisk Spinal erectors ------------- http://cghighlander.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: StevePulcinella
Date Posted: 1/29/06 at 5:48am
My bet goes with Wilt the stilt, Although that was a very interesting physique comparison between fatty Vierra and "the dixie derrick" Paul Anderson.  ------------- |
Posted By: Greg Bell
Date Posted: 1/29/06 at 7:52am
| I'm with Steve. I'd like to see a 7'1" Wilt working the hammer over the top- (as long as he was wearing an old skool yellow Lakers uniform with the high water shorts and tube socks to his knees) |
Posted By: Al Yodakis
Date Posted: 1/29/06 at 8:48am
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With no practice, Jenner wins the overall. He was a 50 or so shotputter, and 160+ in the disc. And he most likely toyed with a hammer somewhere in his career. Of course I'm biased being a former decathlete I did read somewhere that Karelin would do zerchers off the floor with 455lbs! Al ------------- "Why you eating cheescake?" "Worked for Timmerman." |
Posted By: Louis Cypher
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 5:42am
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Karelin,Is a massive standout. Did you know he tried Oly Lifting but the russian team was already to deep for super heavies and was better suited for Roman Greco. He was 16 lbs at birth. I think his body weight was 275 and under 8% body fat. Only scored on once and only lost once. Take into consideration his flexibility. I think he would spank everyone. Not to take away the sucess of others. Karelin wasn't called the experiment for nothing. ------------- I'm the only hell (Mama ever Raised). George Jones & Johnny Paycheck |
Posted By: jimhoerricks
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 6:20am
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Karelin Magnus/Akebono (tie) Roaf Jenner If Akebono gets to compete in a Shinto shrine, then he's #1. I'd love to see Karelin v Akebono. Now that would be worth the pay per view dollars...   ------------- http://forensicphotoshop.blogspot.com "He that will not apply new remedies must expect new evils, for time is the greatest innovator" - Francis Bacon, First Baron of Verulam, Viscount of St. Albans |
Posted By: Killer Rabbit
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 6:33am
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Gotta go with Alexander. Being a former wrestler and current coach I'd say he'd win anything after watching him on the mat. Any doubters need to watch the video on the top right. The guy he is reverse body locking weighs over 300 lb's. http://www.karelin.ru/eng/?video - http://www.karelin.ru/eng/?video |
Posted By: big MAC
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 8:45am
THANK YOU. My thoughts exactly. Try 290lbs at 7% and strong as a bull. ------------- |
Louis Cypher wrote:Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 9:22am
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With only one month to train height would be the deciding factor so I gotta go with Wilt the Stilt. Karelin would be close on his heels though. ------------- Cheers, Carlos "Live free or die" |
Posted By: G-man
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 9:42am
how about Velichko Cholakov?  I think you are all just scared of Karelin......in the end he is the great westler BUT why do you think he would thow as far as Anderson. Anderson is stronger in ever respect, speed = 480 clean and jerk with a stiff bar? today Im sure he would have been closer to the 600lbs mark (he stoped doing oly lifts early so he could be a pro strongman) Anderson Bench: 627 pounds Squat: 1206 pounds Deadlift: 820 pounds, he pulled a massive 1000 pounds using metal hooks attached to his wrists. This assisted deadlift was witnessed by Tommy Kono Clean and Jerk: 480 pounds Push Press: 600 pounds, witnessed by Bob Hise One Arm Press: 380 pounds, 300 pounds for ten reps; this 380 pound lift was the greatest lift ever lifted overhead with one arm; both were witnessed by Paul Magistratte Backlift: 6270 pounds, witnessed by Kara Whitfield and Maurice Payne, included in the Guinness Book of World Records More info Squat: 900 pounds for 10 reps, John Grimek was a witness to this
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Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 9:50am
| Nah - you're all wrong - Roaf trains for speed, is athletic ,understands technique (that's an offensive lineman's whole game), is obviously coachable AND is fit - won't get hurt...THEN Magnus...then the wrestler. |
Posted By: G-man
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 9:53am
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Magnus is a wild card he may crush them all !!! any man that eats 6.5 lbs of red meat a day is the bomb!!!
------------- http://cghighlander.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: JWC III
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 10:59am
That's weird, Baab picked the offensive lineman........I wonder why..... ------------- Thom Van Vleck |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 11:20am
| Looks,intelligence,power....the trifecta....oh, and Roaf's not bad either. |
Posted By: CHAD
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 11:28am
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I can tell this is a fringe sport. Man, who else would even know who these guys are? Karelin. For sure. I don't even buy that Anderson was stronger. Which may get me shivved, but hey. Ever stand next to an elite wrestler? Yes? Now think about a guy who stompitty-stomped elite badasses for 16 years. Dude's just made out of a different knda meat. |
Posted By: jimmymac
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 11:50am
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Look at the size of Anderson's thighs! They may be bigger than Akebonos'! ------------- May the Risen Lord grant that the strength of his life, peace and freedom be experienced everywhere. - B16 |
Posted By: Louis Cypher
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 12:24pm
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Anderson - Deseased Wilt - Deseased or diseased Akebono - bad pins Bo - bad Hip Jenner - to small and Michael Jackson nose Roaf - MCL could be a problem? Magnus - Big and strong with speed Karelin - Big enough strong enough and fast enough with major flexibility. Karelin will win everything except 56,wob, and Braemar Caber a tie. Magus gets spanked in the hammers. ------------- I'm the only hell (Mama ever Raised). George Jones & Johnny Paycheck |
Posted By: Louis Cypher
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 12:36pm
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How scarey is Karelin, I think Butkus would pee himself, oK Ok at least run away then pee himself ------------- I'm the only hell (Mama ever Raised). George Jones & Johnny Paycheck |
Posted By: G-man
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 12:56pm
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Posted By: jimmymac
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:27pm
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George Papadapolis?
------------- May the Risen Lord grant that the strength of his life, peace and freedom be experienced everywhere. - B16 |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 1:46pm
I wish I had a nickel for everytime some bodybuilder,powerlifter,wrestler or olympic lifter showed up at one of my training camps and went home w/ their head shoved completely up their ass and both hamstrings pulled- the wrestler would NEVER even touch Butkus -just tellin' the truth Kel - not being an ass.....G-man - good try - he was a defensive tackle -you know how coached decide if a kid plays offense or defense? On the 1st day they all line up in front of the stadium wall - the coach yells "Charge!" - if you smash your head on the wall you play defense- if you go up the stairs- you're offense 
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Posted By: Genetic Freak
Date Posted: 1/30/06 at 4:43pm
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I vote 1. Wood 2.Jackson, Michael 3.Sunnybono 4.Caroline 5.Anderson, Pamela
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Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 5:08am
Gotta go with Wilt. One of the greatest athletes I have ever seen ( yes, I'm that old )and very strong. At Kansas, he was a quarter miler, high jumper, AND shotputter. And G-man, Karras was a defensive tackle, not a center  ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 5:54am
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Akebono: Big, strong, but not nearly as mobile as you
would expect from a sumo legend - watch him in K-1 fights, where he looks slow and awkward. No way. His WOB would be awesome, though. Bo Jackson: Great all-around athlete. He'd be pretty good, but lacks size. Yeah, Alistair is smaller. Bo's no Alistair. Wilt Chamberlain: Too big. Probably would do great with the WOB, caber and hammers, but at over 7' would probably need to single-spin the weights and Braemar the open stone to stay in the box. Willie Roaf: Sorry, don't know the guy. Bruce Jenner: Great athlete, good thrower, too small. Alexander Karelin: One of the most dominant athletes ever, in any sport. In a sport of very big, very strong men, he was considered insanely strong, to the point where his opponents were not just intimidated, but actually afraid of him. World-class wrestlers would not try to win, but just try not to get hurt. He can do whatever he damn well wants. Magnus Samuelsson: Big, strong, quick, athletic, tall but not too big, long arms and legs. There's a long history of strongmen crossing over and doing well - didn't Magnus Ver once take third at the world championships? Ziljstra has had a decent run, too. Magnus would do well. Paul Anderson: Inhuman strength, but too short, fat, slow. My picks: Karelin, Samuelsson, Chamberlain, Jenner |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 6:41am
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agm
gotta disagree with you as far as Wilt and the open stone, he was a 50 ft shot putter at Kansas in the 50's. As far as a single spin in the WFD, possibly, but talk about your long levers . Most people don 't realize how strong he was, but in his prime, he benched about 465 lbs.------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: jimmymac
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 6:53am
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Bonus points to Mike Woody for knowing Wilt was a track star. Rock Chalk Jayhawk KU! ------------- May the Risen Lord grant that the strength of his life, peace and freedom be experienced everywhere. - B16 |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 7:15am
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jimmymac
I could talk about the good old days of KU track all day. Wilt, Al Oerter, Bill Neider, Jim Ryan, Billy Mills, the Dancing Elephants, etc. And I don't even like KU, whats up with that ?  ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 8:10am
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With just one month to train and 9 events, would any of that crew be able to master the WFD two-spin? Would a wise coach even try to teach it? Oh yeah, if I had to add one name to that list to really make the choice tough it would be ... Michael Carter. ------------- Cheers, Carlos "Live free or die" |
Posted By: Skullsplitter
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 8:14am
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Don Stewart told me he competed against Micheal Carter in the shot put in college and he was the most explosive strength athlete he had ever seen. So, that would be a good choice. ------------- "I am the thread, the pupil, and the eye of the needle is my teacher" |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 8:16am
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Carlos,
If we are going to add throwers in their prime, let me throw in Randy Matson (WR,Oly Gold Medal in the shot, drafted by the NFL, and the NBA, 6-7, 265), and Dave Laut( I trained with him for 4 years, Oly Broze in the shot) ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 8:31am
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SkullSplitter,
In 1979, when Michael Carter threw 81-3 1/2 with the 12 pound shot at the Golden West Invitational, I was standing about 20 feet away. Explosion doesn't even come close to describing that throw. It was incredible. ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Tim
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 9:26am
I've changed my mind. I think I'll go with Wilt Chamberlain. Any man that can sleep with that many women, well, you just gotta honor him somehow. Not that I would advocate promiscuity for anyone.  ------------- "Remember, you don't take respect, you can only give it." Myles Wetzel-Forum post 10/2/07 Rock the House |
Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 9:28am
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I only put Carter in because he isn't a pure thrower. Now I'll give you all a chance to enjoy Woody's incomparable knowledge of track and field. Dave Laut is a 70/70 man (70 spinning and 70 gliding). Name the others? ------------- Cheers, Carlos "Live free or die" |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 9:51am
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Carter was the noseguard at SMU -in 1981 we ran a sweep in Cowboy Stadium and chopped him good and put him out for awhile ....guess I feel sh#tty about it now - wonder what he could have done w/out the bad wheel...oh well....fought hima coupla times w/ San Fran - really strong staight ahead.......went to the Fort Worth Invitational a million years ago -like 1978--- I think I threw 53- Carter fouled one over 80 and tossed like 78 I think --- the whole stadium was crowded around the shotput pit cheering....I slunk away quietly..... |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 10:02am
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Carlos,
I think you got even me. I could do some research, but that wouldn't be fair. The only other one I can think of would be Brian, unless at some point Timmerman went to the spin ? ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 10:22am
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Mr Baab
I understand. In 1972, I went to the So Calif Finals in the shot. I think I threw about 57, and came in 9th  . Among the ones ahead of me were Terry Albritton, and Randy Cross.------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 10:48am
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I have another name to throw in the mix
Sam "Bam" Cunningham 6'3'' 240 Football For those who would not know, Sam was the 1969 Calif State Champion in the shot (65 ft) ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 11:09am
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or Lonnie Shelton, also a former Calif Sate Champion in the shot. Had a long career in the NBA with New York and Seattle. His son, LJ, is currently an offensive tackle with the Browns, I beleive. ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: The Jayster
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 11:48am
| sad to say, that's the late terry albritton! woody |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 12:36pm
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Jay, my brother, say it aint so. I haven't had any news on Terry in several years, but last I heard, he was the strength coach at Hawaii ? ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 12:48pm
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f*ck, he just died last month, in Cambodia ? ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 1/31/06 at 12:52pm
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Jay, my brother, you can reach me at mailto:caber@syix.com - caber@syix.com ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Wills
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 2:10am
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Amongst current NFL players I would think that Julius Peppers would be a good choice for the one month Vierra boot camp. ------------- |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 5:24am
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Peppers would be a good choice. So would Jevon Kearse ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 7:34am
| If we're throwing names around, how about Garry Frank, who hit 67+ shot/178+ discus, and won an NCAA national championship in the shot BEFORE becoming the strongest powerlifter in history? |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 8:28am
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agm
Impressive, but on 4-8-67, Matson threw 70-5 1/2 in the shot, and 213-9 1/2 in the discus, on the same day
The shot mark was 1 3/4 inches off his own world record , and the discus was a New American record, and 2 inches off the world record, held by Ludvik Danek. ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 8:59am
| Matson's clearly a better T&F thrower. He'd spank Frank in the stones and 28, but I'd take Frank in the WOB and caber, and at a weight of 380lbs or so I think he'd have an easier time with the 56 than Matson at 245lbs. No clue about the hammers - that seems to be a frequent weak point for shot/discus people, and less responsive to overwhelming brute strength than other events. |
Posted By: big MAC
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 9:25am
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If we're talking throwers I'd say Alekna would beat everyone. Matson included. The only one I'd be scared of is Mike Carter and even then, Ulf Timmerman owned him explosiveness and strength wise most likely. Karelin is still my man in this case. ------------- |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 9:32am
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Matson was such a good athlete, I think he would have found a way. Matsons weight marks were not all that good, 400 lb bench, 485 in the squat, but he was, like Michael Carter, very explosive. After he graduated from Texas A&M, he was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons, the Seattle Sonics, and the Dallas Chaparelles of the old ABA. I guess he was pretty athletic. As far as brute strength goes, in 1971, at the Mt Sac Relays, I saw Matson throw 69 feet, standing, during his warm ups. ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: big MAC
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 9:55am
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He claimed a 440 bench in an interview about Randy Barnes. I know what you're saying man, he was way ahead of his time. But you had guys like Ulf who could stand 72 feet as well. ------------- |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 10:03am
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Ulf was a thrower along the lines of Matson, Albritton, etc, tall, and very athletic. AS far as throwers who also excelled as weight lifters, I have to throw Al Feuerbach and Ken Patera into the mix. ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 10:13am
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and for anyone as old as I am, Gary Gubner also ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 10:47am
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As far as Alekna goes, yes he threw 230 or so to win the Worlds. Matson threw 213 almost 39 years ago. And Ben Plucknet threw 233 almost 25 years ago. Current crop has some catching up to do. ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Roy Bogue
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 11:04am
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How high did Plucknet pull the 56? You know the real way....oops I mean standing. (stole that one - kinda - from Steve) ------------- Donate lately? |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 11:32am
Given enough time, he probably would. But to make up that kind of weight and strength advantage over a guy who threw the shot within 95% of his best, with only one month of training, seems unlikely to me. |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 11:35am
18' 3.5" |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 12:19pm
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yes, 18 3 1/2, but I have some interesting video from the Monterey Games in 1990 (Ben's first Games) which show him missing (badly) at 13 ft ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 12:22pm
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agm,
body weight can be deceptive. JD never competed at a body weight above about 260, yet he was the best caber tosser I have ever seen, and wasn't bad at the WOB either. ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Tim
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 12:40pm
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Hey, What about "The Greatest of All Times" Muhammid Ali? He had strength, speed, agility, and an incredible will to win.
------------- "Remember, you don't take respect, you can only give it." Myles Wetzel-Forum post 10/2/07 Rock the House |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 12:41pm
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however, my favorite memory of Ben would be in 91 or so, after the Fresno Games, Ben doing cannonballs at the motel pool. At 6-8, and 330 or so, he displaced a lot of water. Wish I had gotten video of that ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: The Jayster
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 12:48pm
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i think more athletic guys over just pure strongmen, so how about russ francis[anyone remember him] played tight end for the pats and niners tall lean and very athletic. was a pretty good javelin thrower was on an oregon track team with mac wilkins & pre |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 12:55pm
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Jay, my brother, finally, someone on my side. In the other thread, were you kidding about your hair falling out ?. I have a hard time with the image of a bald Keebler elf ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: The Jayster
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 1:11pm
| still got my hair woody, and the reason for the more athletic guys thought is because i saw you beat phil martin in the a class right before phil turned pro at a time when he was nearly unbeatable!! |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 1:24pm
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Jay, that was a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away ( I used the force) ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: The Jayster
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 1:32pm
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my only claim to fame is i got very drunk in quite a few places in quite a few cities with the guy who got very drunk at a pizza place in south sacramento in 81 with brian oldfield!!! [well that and 7 world armwrestling championships] |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 1:38pm
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ssshush, you gonna f*ck up my reputation. You been throwing ? ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/01/06 at 1:46pm
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Jay, other than Sacramento, San Diego, Costa Mesa,Pleasanton, Pozo, Big Bear, and a few others, where did we ever get drunk together ? ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 12:26am
The only thing I'm suggesting about bodyweight in Frank vs. Matson is that someone 380 and insanely strong will be more able to adjust to the 56 (for distance - not WOB) than someone 245, within the first month of training. WOB I'd give to Frank based on a 900+ deadlift, and enough explosiveness for a 67+ shot. Caber I'd give him based on insane overall strength - it takes more than a month to learn good caber technique, so someone who can just muscle around a big stick has the edge. I'm not arguing that Matson wouldn't eventually be the better all-around thrower. But the original question was who can do it with one month of training. |
Posted By: Louis Cypher
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 3:47am
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I worked for Bekins during the summers to put myself through college and one of the people I moved was Russ Francis. From this sleepy little area of San Carlos up to this Serious condo Apt thing in SF. His Woman was a real piece of work I remember the Lead guy telling her we weren't decorators and find a home for this stuff and quit making us moving it around. I heard shortly after that he up and split to the Islands. Real strong and impressive guy heard the 9er's had special insurance on him because he was a bit of a thrill seeker. ------------- I'm the only hell (Mama ever Raised). George Jones & Johnny Paycheck |
Posted By: damon
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 5:18am
| Why has no one mentioned Chuck Norris yet? He we wipe the floor with any one of the guys previously mentioned. Besides, they would all be sand bagging anyway to avoid the roundhouse kick awaiting them if they would happen to beat Chuck Norris. |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 5:39am
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agm
I will give you Frank in the 56 WFD and the WOB. Not sure I would give him the caber. But I would take Matson in the stones, the hammers, because of his height and long arms, and the 28. If my math is right, that gives him the aggregate. And his competitive weight was usually around 260-265. The only time I am aware of him throwing at 245 was his sophmore year at A&M, after he played basketball. ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 6:42am
He's listed in the USATF Hall of Fame at 6' 7" and 245lbs. But yeah, I just saw an interview on the Long & Strong site where he says his ideal weight was 265. He also claims slightly better lifts than you mentioned: 445 bench, 510 squat. |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 8:04am
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agm
this is a pic of the first 70 ft throw, he looks a bit bigger than 245 to me  ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 8:30am
he was probably closer to 245 in high school ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: big MAC
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 8:52am
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Alekna's competition PB is 242'5". If he spent his life throwing in the conditions Plucknett did instead of focussing on major meets in bowel stadiums I'm sure he'd throw even further. ------------- |
Posted By: big MAC
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 8:56am
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MR T kicks Chuck Norris' ass. Mr T is the only person to survive a roundhouse kick to the face from chuck norris. Mr T's tears cure cancer, too bad he has never cried, ever. ------------- |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 9:07am
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and if back in the day, throwers like Ben had been able to earn a living throwing,and train full time, they may have gone a lot farther, but it was am only back then, and everyone had to have a day job. ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 9:13am
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okay, I've got it, we have Chuck Norris, Mr T, and what the hell, lets throw in Sylvester Stallone. They all train a month with Ryan, and may the best man win ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: big MAC
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 10:56am
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Alekna has a day job, he's a bodyguard. Mr T wins hands down. ------------- |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/02/06 at 12:13pm
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big MAC
My money's on Sly ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: The Jayster
Date Posted: 2/03/06 at 5:20pm
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HEY my brother carlos! are the others AUGIE WOLF, BARYSHINKOV, AND THE BIG "O". i must admit i looked this up but i must say before i got the answer wolf was already in my head and i bet everyone guessed the BIG "O"[crazy horse] |
Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 2/04/06 at 7:39am
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Brother Jay, You're good, damn good. Actually, I only knew about three - Brian, Laut, and Baryshnikov. Back then the spin was pretty new. Baryshnikov was the first to use it at a high-level but it wasn't until Oldfield really started bombing with it that it generated a lot of interest. Oldfield was even kind of notorious for launching monster spins in warm-ups and then gliding during the comp. At any rate, there seems to have been a period in the 60s and 70s (early 80s) when accomplished gliders would convert to the spin and it seems that is when those few 70-70 guys appeared. By and large, after that period I can't imagine any putters would switch after 19m. You gotta figure a tall spinner like Barnes could have done it too. He glided all through HS very successfully. I'm told he did tinker with the spin in his senior year (I had a student some years back who threw against Barnes in HS and was competing at a meet where Barnes took some extras to entertain the crowd and tried the spin, his recollection on the distances was spotty but he said Barnes was launching the ball well past his best glides but having a hard time staying in the ring and the sector). ------------- Cheers, Carlos "Live free or die" |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/05/06 at 4:12am
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Carlos
The first high school spinner I saw was in 1968. Named Phil Beguhl (spelling ?) from San Marcos HS. He later threw the dicus at Santa Barabra CC and then, either Washington, or Washington State ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |
Posted By: Mike Woody
Date Posted: 2/05/06 at 6:29am
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and Baryshnikov was also one hell of a ballet dancer. Oh wait, that was a diffent Baryshnikov. My bad ------------- Jay Lyttle is the best arm wrestling Keebler elf I have ever seen |