Extra throws - recorded or not?
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Topic: Extra throws - recorded or not?
Posted By: Lori Henderson
Subject: Extra throws - recorded or not?
Date Posted: 10/10/05 at 6:40am
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When entering scores in the database (nasga), is it correct to enter the highest throw that may have been made during extra attempts? I have heard both ways. I have also read the SAAA, RMSA, and NASGA rules and all it says for height as well as distance events are "Extra throws shall not be used in determining points with regard to a decathalon scoring system". What if you are using the point system? Thank you, Lori Henderson |
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Posted By: Wayne Hill
Date Posted: 10/10/05 at 7:08am
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If you're using the point system, the winner of the event gets best
points (low or high) anyway, so the extra throws won't affect
that. I believe Kurt has said in the past that NASGA results
should reflect the best throws, including extras made within the
traditional three-or-less rule. -Wayne ------------- "We may be small, but we're slow." - MIT Rugby |
Posted By: McSanta
Date Posted: 10/08/07 at 4:59am
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This was a topic that came up a couple weeks back at a small games where the winner was taking extra throws. Clearly before the new decathlon ranking system was used, the best distance was entered whether it was from in-competition-throws or extra-throws was entered. I believe the answer is still the same under the new system: We should continue to enter the best throw which may include distances from extra throws. However, there is some doubt since NASGA rankings have moved towards a Decathlon scoring system which as Lori point out in her above post: "Extra throws shall not be used in determining points with regard to a decathlon scoring system" I can see two justifications to include extra throws: Countering those points is that the extra throws have been traditionally excluded from Decathlon Scoring. Could someone please confirm that the best throw which may include distances from extra throws is what should be entered into the database? Thanks
------------- Mark McVey "The work of science is to substitute facts for appearances and demonstrations for impressions." -John Ruskin |
Posted By: wallyworld
Date Posted: 10/08/07 at 4:42pm
OK, it is so confirmed! How else is a person gonna' get credit for an exceptional throw? ------------- "TRY NOT. DO OR DO NOT. THERE IS NO 'TRY'." Yoda |
Could someone please confirm that the best throw which may include distances from extra throws is what should be entered into the database?Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 10/09/07 at 2:08am
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The extra throw should be entered into the database. This is a flaw with the new rankings system. I will be taking a poll in the near future to decide how to do the rankings from now on. I have a feeling the old rankings system was much more accepted.
------------- -Admin |
Posted By: Snider
Date Posted: 10/13/07 at 2:23pm
Not a BIG fan of the New ranking.... Just my .02. I like the Old ------------- |
Posted By: MacD
Date Posted: 10/16/07 at 1:46pm
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I like the old too. There's a ton of caber scores that were entered incorrectly (1, 2, 3, etc. instead of 12:00, 12:15, etc) that is throwing quite a few scores off.. at least in the women's rankings. ------------- F*%#'in SHEAF! |
Posted By: wallyworld
Date Posted: 10/16/07 at 11:42pm
lf you know that they're wrong, then why don't you, A. contact the person who entered the scores and school them on the proper way to do it or, B. just correct the numbers yourself? l know, its not as easy as just pointing out someone else's shortcomings! ------------- "TRY NOT. DO OR DO NOT. THERE IS NO 'TRY'." Yoda |
Posted By: admin
Date Posted: 10/17/07 at 5:37am
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I agree. If we go back to old system, I am going to prevent this by forcing scores to be entered.
------------- -Admin |
Posted By: Snider
Date Posted: 10/17/07 at 6:04am
As hapy said and I will say it.... If nobody wants to post the scores send them to me I will do it..to help out ------------- |
Posted By: wallyworld
Date Posted: 10/17/07 at 10:52pm
Well, l for one like the new ranking system. There's no point in throwing out the new (present) system because a few people can't figure out how to enter scores. l'm thinking that they'd have the same problem with the old system!! The one thing that l do not like about the new system is that athletes don't show up 'til they have three Games under their belt. l'd like to see them show up right away. ------------- "TRY NOT. DO OR DO NOT. THERE IS NO 'TRY'." Yoda |
Posted By: Hapy
Date Posted: 10/18/07 at 4:01am
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I was thinking that a combination of the two systems might work well.
Use the OS, HWFD, HH, and WOB, and then use the 5th variable which is the average for the game. This way there is still weight for consistent good throwing, but not the huge punishment the new system has for a missing score or throwing sick or injured. You could even play with the relative weight so that the average could be 50% of the score, or 20% as above. Finally, I think the caber should be scored based on placement - 1000 for first, 900 for 2nd, etc. Since there is too much variability in the sticks - if someone wins the competition with a 9:00 throw on a huge stick - they deserve the 1000 pts, by the same token a games which uses a toothpick where everyone gets 12:00 shouldn't boost your rankings. Just my opinion, I am glad we have rankings at all. ------------- Real Men Wear Purple Tinky Winky Throw Far! http://www.facebook.com/CVTSA" rel="nofollow - Central Vermont Strength Association |