Training the Week of an Event
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Topic: Training the Week of an Event
Posted By: jhbucy
Subject: Training the Week of an Event
Date Posted: 8/12/13 at 8:14am
| How hard should you train the week of an event? All out on throws and gym? Light on one or both? Seems to me you would almost want to deload the week of but this is my first event. |
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Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 8/12/13 at 10:17am
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You've got to figure out what works for you and be very aware of where you are in terms of recovery.
I run myself pretty ragged in training with high volume in the gym and on the field with little breaks, so I tend to do better with a light workout monday and tuesday and throws monday and tuesday and call it quits for the rest of the week. When I'm feeling better and closer to 100% I'll throw light wednesday and sometimes thursday before a Saturday comp.
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Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 8/12/13 at 11:19am
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I am always interested in the different ways people do this, if you read the athlete interviews I ask this many times.
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Posted By: Andy Vincent
Date Posted: 8/12/13 at 1:45pm
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For me, it depends on many things: is it early or late in the season? Have I done several games in a row? Am I dealing with any nagging injuries? Am I throwing well, or am I struggling in any events? If it's early, I'm more apt to stick to my normal gym & throwing practice schedule. While each games is important, the strength I build early in the season is what carries me late in the season when I'm focused on being quick and throwing more. If it's late, I'm way less concerned with gym time, and if I have to choose between the two I'll always choose to throw. Likewise for games in a row. If I'm in the middle of a three games in three weeks run, I'll always opt to throw if I have to choose. If I can get to the gym as well, I'll keep the lifting light & fast. If I'm dealing with injuries, I focus on recovering so I'm in the best shape to compete. If that means nothing but rest & mobility work, that's what I do. If I'm throwing well, I'll hit a few throws in each event just to keep my confidence up. If I'm struggling, I'll work on getting things right. |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 8/12/13 at 1:53pm
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I like to take a break in February, and start training again in November. Always fresh. |
Posted By: jhbucy
Date Posted: 8/12/13 at 2:24pm
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I always love learning about different training methods Silverback, I know enough to know I don't know much. Mr. Smith when you say you take a break from Feb-Nov(hope I read that right), are you talking about from the gym, or you just throw in the games only during that period?
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Posted By: Jason Cherry
Date Posted: 8/12/13 at 2:34pm
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Nope. He means it. He takes a break from everything. Hygiene. Using his turn signal while driving. It is something to behold. ------------- "Example is the best precept." ~ Aesop |
Posted By: grasshopper
Date Posted: 8/12/13 at 2:42pm
------------- "Breathe deeply. Refuse to be weak. Refuse to be sick. Refuse to die. Think strong and you will be." -The Mighty Atom (Yoselle Greenstein) |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 8/12/13 at 3:02pm
looooool, people love me during this time frame. I was kidding Jayson, I still lift weights during the season and even during games weeks. To answer your original question, I take a few days rest before games. lol @Tony. (but yea, I don't throw outside of games) |
Jason Cherry wrote:Posted By: Sean
Date Posted: 8/12/13 at 3:15pm
| Except for front squat day. He never misses that. He just brings a rack and weights and does them between hammer throws because only fairies wear boots. |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 8/13/13 at 7:51am
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That, right there, is a winning post. |
Posted By: TomLawrence
Date Posted: 8/13/13 at 10:26am
I saw it, I saw it with my own two eyes. ------------- Aim high. Stay hungry. |
Posted By: Beau Fay
Date Posted: 8/14/13 at 3:27pm
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This is the age old question and one I struggled with for a long time. The conclusion I have come to is that we waaaay overthink this one. Two trips to Scotland have convinced me that there is little rhyme or reason to how the body performs. I have competed four days in a row and can tell you that the throws on the last day might be better than they were one day one. Or days two and four are great and one and three are awful. This is contrary to anything I have ever heard about rest and preparation for a games. There were days when I'd wake up after a stretch of games and not want to get out of bed and throw near PRs. All while eating bad fried food, sleeping in mysterious rooms and drinking gaseous Tennent's Lager. Other days I'd be well rested after a night in a nice hotel and throw poorly. The body is a mystery, at least to me. But it is capable of doing things that we sometimes don't trust it can. Don't let too many competitions totally derail your training plan. How many times have you heard an athlete say, "I can't believe I threw so far considering I am still in a heavy lifting phase right now!" Or how often do you see athletes throwing big during the week in training when they are still lifting hard? Happens more often than we seem to acknowledge. Think aboot it. ------------- "Some people like to go out dancing... other people like us, we gotta work." -Lou Reed |
Posted By: Sean
Date Posted: 8/14/13 at 3:35pm
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Basically, if you're lifting on your normal weeks and throwing on the weekends and it's going well, why change anything? Unless you feel a little chewed up, in which case back off.
I'm old now, so I hardly ever take days completely off. If I don't move, at least a little, I seize up like an old farm tractor.
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Posted By: Sean Betz
Date Posted: 8/15/13 at 2:19pm
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Lift 1 day and throw 1 day. Throw light if its a big games. Throw a little heavier if its more of a normal games. Since I was about 32, I never train after Wednesday. Just get a feel for the event and stop, unless you have major work to do and don't care about the games result. The closer to the games you feel you need to have a hard practice to throw further, the more you are worrying too much about how you'll do. I've learned my lesson the hard way from that one. |
Posted By: grasshopper
Date Posted: 8/16/13 at 5:36am
Probably the best advice ever given on this board..... ------------- "Breathe deeply. Refuse to be weak. Refuse to be sick. Refuse to die. Think strong and you will be." -The Mighty Atom (Yoselle Greenstein) |
Posted By: Sean
Date Posted: 8/16/13 at 7:45am
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It really is.
Best pseudo-related story to this ever:
For a while I was doing Olifting and throwing (not good at either, btw) and definitely met some characters in both. For olifting the coach at the club related the best story. Enter Kelly: a human being designed to olift. Short, strong torso, explosive as hell. 85kg (187#) class. Could back squat bolt upright. God's not unfair though. He built an olifter and then slapped the brain out of it. Kelly could just barely be coached and didn't like following anyone's plan but his own. Through some miracle and nagging, the coach managed to have Kelly follow a 16 week training plan leading up to a major comp and qualifier for Nationals.
Everything goes perfect. Kelly looks amazing. His weights are flying up, his technique is bang-on. He is lined up to not only qualify but probably break a couple national records on his way. The last two weeks taper down pretty hard for volume and the last week is also almost nil for intensity as well. The coach is practically salivating for how the man looks while lifting now.
Enter game day. Carefully selected and planned openers are put in and Kelly's the last lifter, starting well above anyone else. First attempt: miss! Kelly looks slow, unsteady. Second attempt is better but dropped behind. Last attempt: basically a bad high-pull. Bomb out. The coach is stunned. Disbelieving what he just witnessed. He just stammers out "I...don't believe it."
Kelly's pissed. Shakes his head angrily and says "Me either! It went up so easily last night!"
That's right. The man was SO paranoid that he hadn't taken a big attempt in a week or so that he came in on Friday night before his Saturday competition and worked up to his openers in the snatch and clean & jerk.
Scratched comp. No nats. No records.
Tommy Kono said it best for olifting and it works for throwing too: it's better to be a little bit undertrained than a little bit overtrained. You aren't going to do anything between Wednesday and Saturday that's going to change your marks. Trust the 50 practices you had before this week. Not the one on Thursday.
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Posted By: TheJeff696
Date Posted: 8/16/13 at 8:13am
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I was the paranoid guy back when I was doing track and field. I HAD to throw the day before a meet (especially hammer) and I would always do 10 too many "Just one more"s. Makes me wonder how much better I would have been if I knew what the words "taper" and "recovery" meant. ------------- Jeff Kaste "I think there's a Squatch in these woods..." |
Posted By: Sean
Date Posted: 8/16/13 at 8:16am
Its ok. You were in T&F. It's illegal to have fun there 
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Posted By: TheJeff696
Date Posted: 8/16/13 at 8:23am
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So much LESS fun in T&F! I was a masochist and didn't even know it haha ------------- Jeff Kaste "I think there's a Squatch in these woods..." |