I've had some of my best workouts taking a nap on the ride over to the gym (obv, I wasn't driving)..

 

 

I just drink a protein shake and have a couple nutri grain bars, or some nerds/some sort of dextrose mix.. if I'm really tapped I'll cruss 200-400mg caffeine in with the shake and that gets me going in about 10 mins... rarely do that though, I like having a low tolerance to caffeine so it works better, haha.

I usually take the following about 45 mins before a workout:

1 Ester-C

50 g's whey (I am usually way between meals at this point, so a little extra never hurt)

2 scoops Jack3d

3 wee scoops of ConCrete (I don't really like it, but I'm almost done with it)

 

Then I start sipping on my syzurp...PM me and I'll tell you about it.

In all seriousness,  Jack3d is great.  The new Micro version doesn't have the DMAA goodness, but is just as potent from what I understand.  Dan makes a good point, but if you're not going to be subject to a WADA level test, and VERY few of us will, why worry?

 

 

I guess, for me, it's the principle of it.  If it's banned, I shouldn't take it, regardless if I'll be tested for it or not.  

A glass (or two) of chocolate milk or some yogurt would be a good choice for a pre-workout boost--quick, good carb-protein ratio for pre- or post-workout as per the research we're seeing now.  I know that one local university has switched from some relatively pricey stuff to simple low-fat chocolate milk.

 

For me, when both eating and training away from home, my breakfast of champions is an Egg McMuffin and a yogurt parfait (you can sub the parfait for the hash browns in the value meal).  Pretty good nutritional set up with carbs and protein, but not so much protein as to make you sluggish.

 

JMHO.

 

I'll pass.

 

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For most guys, a typical workout shake is about 450 calories.  Also, men get a larger calorie budget for weight maintenance than women do.  For example, my maintenance level of calories is about 2000-2200 per day, which is NOT easy to do without close tracking.  By contrast, most of my trainer colleagues get 3000-4000 per day.  So I work to get the biggest payoff for my calorie investment.  My McD "breakfast of champions" provides a lot of nutrition and good energy for the amount of calories.

 

Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.

Bellevue, NE

 

She obviously squats

I hear ya, but I see it differently.  It you wanted to go by that thinking, then you could justify off-season use of anything (steroids, testosterone, HGH, etc.) since you aren't competing during that time, but only training.  

  

 

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"prohibited all times"

"prohibited in-competition"

"prohibited in particular sports"

That's cool.  I guess I hadn't read deeper into the stimulants part of it and in-competition.  Interesting.  Thanks for the info., guys.  

Thanks for the titles -- very helpful!

 

 

If you read further on the pseudoephedrine it is allowed in competition up to a certain dosage.   I think what Dan is getting at is that you should be able to be clean all year round.  It is a good message to send to aspiring throwers.  Their is no doubt in my mind that using anabolic steroids and other ped's in the off-season can have a huge effect on your performance.   The bigger the base the higher the peak.  It's an unfair advantage and I wish we would be tested in the off-season too. 

 

Also I think there are some mixed messages that certain distances and heights can only be achieved by using drugs.  That is not true.   Nearly everyone I see competing can throw much farther than they are throwing, including Dan.   Don't put a cap on your potential performance.  For a pre-workout boost try gatorade and coffee.

 

interesting how this turned into a PEDs thread. this particular response is even more interesting.

 

if you think that it is not true that certain distances and heights can only be achieved by using drugs, why does everyone care so much about drugs? if said heights and distances can be reached naturally, what does it matter to you if your opponents are assisted or not? if you put the time and work in, you should be able to hit those heights and distances, no? that's how I feel.

 

I LOLd at the Valerie Adams thread. At the end of the day, if someone threw farther than me, they beat me. It's that easy. Valerie Adams was undefeated for years, despite Ostapchuk's usage, but at the end of the day, Ostapchuk threw farther. She put it together when it counted. For ME, that would be a tough pill to swallow, being "handed" the gold because it was taken from the person that beat me on a technicality. Everyone here pulls the "for me" card, well there's mine. For ME: earning a silver > being handed a gold. Ostapchuk threw farther, by almost a meter.

No disrespect to anybody here, but it's obvious that this board is splattered with anti-drug guys. It is what it is. I don't understand why we don't just mind our own business and do work. At the end of the day, your performance was a product of the work you put in. In my case, it's also a product of sweet tarts, nerds and gatorade. Need to get Wonka to sponsor me. Dextrose FTW!!

 

 

 

*sigh*... I'm ready for flames

 

curious, I'd love to see a "study" where PEDs were allowed in the olympics. Certainly you will have those athletes that will qualify that refuse to "convert". I wonder how they would stack up against a "level playing field" of users? Interesting. USA might actually make the podium in WL, lol.

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The man in the arena.

 

for the record, I didn't start it.

 

with that said:: BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!!

 

lol..

 

potentially is your key word, sir. It took Ostapchuk 2 years to finally beat Adams. How many competitions did she lose to her, despite all the "extra work" she was able to put in?

extra work does not always mean quality work, you should know that...

Forgive me for being one of those anti-drug guys.  It's funny how everything gets flip-flopped.  Since the Worlds test, and testing is in the literature for the Celtic, and the SGA tests all over Scotland, it should matter to me if guys are using or not.  It should matter if they hit a qualifying distance to get into one of those games that is "tested". How is that fair to the next guy down who may be clean and throwing their butt off to make the cut?

I don't think hard work has much to do with it either.  If you knew you would get stronger much easier and recover faster why wouldn't you work harder.  Most all the guys I run across in the games work very hard.  Believe me I bet I've thrown the 28 and the light hammer a few thousand times each.  People trained too before facebook and training logs.  

Then again, PED's don't really help performance.  Or do they, and only the dumb ones get caught.  Which is it?  I admittedly don't know the answer to that question.  They can't both be true.  Can they?  

I respond to the PED issue most every time because I don't want to see the sport go completely that direction.  I want to see aspiring throwers make in my mind the right choice, and stay off PED"s.  You can take my advice or not.  

 

One does not necessarily guarantee the other...sometimes it works out this way, but this should never be considered a universal truth.  It does not follow that...

 

 

Actually, Adams (Vili at that time) lost the 2010 World Indoor Championships (and by lost I mean didn't win gold) to Ostapchuk.  So if by "years" you mean two, then cool.  If not, hyperbole doesn't serve.  I'm not sure how many years Ostapchuk was using; not sure anyone on here does either.

 

 

I'd say she did.  But where's the technicality?  She used a substance that makes people bigger and stronger; if she was taking it to combat her aplastic anemia then I will be the FIRST to apologize.  I guess I fail to see how this can interpreted as anything but cheating.  The IOC sees it the same way.  Case closed.

 

 

Things like Phelps' wing span and Hoffa's height are things they cannot control.  Reese can't make himself taller and Mike can't make his arms even longer...they are basically "stuck."  According to the London 2012 bios, Ostapchuk and Adams were/are 5'11" and 6'4" respectively.  Unfair advantages?  No way man...these are the cards these folks are dealt by God or Allah or the Matrix or whatever.  It was an accident of birth that these fellas ended up being the way they are; the code was already written; they exercised, trained up their respective events, and that's why we talk about them. 

 

I cannot make myself taller (where did I put those Ent draughts anyway?), but if I were so inclined, I could find someone at a gym who might be able to provide me with something that, if used properly, might have the effect of reducing my recovery rate and changing my body chemistry in order to off-set my body's natural limitations.  Maybe this enhancement, which is unnatural (i.e. not already in me) might help me even the trig against someone significantly taller like Jeff Kaste or Jon O.  Maybe, maybe not.  Who knows?  Ostapchuk, for one.

 

I am against PEDs only insofar as they are illegal...against the law.  I have said time and time again that whatever substances a person wants to put in their body is completely up to them; if we are sovereign nowhere else, we are kings of our own bodies.  It makes no difference to me if you or you or you uses PEDs; that doesn't affect my performance...I can only throw as far as I can throw.  PED use might potentially impact my overall placement, and in a sport where invites to the Bigguns (and the paychecks) are theoretically won or lost on the strength of one's performance ranked against his/her peers...well, I think the issue becomes pretty obvious.  Use if you want to use, but be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions. 

 

Or just do the best you can with what you have.

 

 

 

Craig, it seems that these kinds of discussions can become a little emotional at times and while everyone is CERTAINLY entitled to their opinions on this matter, it also seems to me that words like 'disingenuous' and 'hypocritical' are pretty strong.  After re-reading the posts, it looks to me like Dan was talking about permanently banned substances and was simply not taking into account that there are some on the list that are only banned in competition.  I think it's a little rough though, to make those kinds of judgments about someone just based on a few words written here on a message board.  Just my opinion. 

 

 

Haha.  It was very valid of AGM and you to point out the difference between out of competition and in-competition.  I think it opened some eyes.   In the end we are all hypocritical in some way or another.   

Dammit...  Now I want a Frosty...  

 

"during leap years"

and

"in sports involving spandex".

 

If you are going to use frostys as pre/post/intra workout supplement, ensure you are not pregnant or nursing and that your last name contains some form of the word "smith".

What about 2 Baconators and a Large Chocolate Frosty?

And does what we wear under our Kilt make us a "Sport involving Spandex"???

damn thats a shitload of caffeine

 

Remember at Heatstroke when he had one cooler of Gatorade and 4 Starbucks coffee boxes?

 

Egg McMuffin = my somewhat superstitious pre-game breakfast. Smash city right there.

x2

 

Yepper!

 

For you menfolk who "boo" the Egg McMuffin, it must be nice to get to eat 3,000-4,000 (plus?) calories a day without gaining weight (fat).  The Sausage McMuffin with Egg has 450 cals (vs 300), 27 g of fat(vs 12), and 21 g of protein (vs 18).  Not much additional benefit in protein for half again as many calories.  I need to invest my maintenance calories for maximum payoff so I have enough room in the budget for the true food of the gods--CHOCOLATE!

 

What is "ftw"?  I can't figure out from context.

Sonic...  ftw

 

if I had time, I'd grill up a FFFFFing 1+lb ribeye before a games.. sit down with loaded baked potato and it'd be gold

 

Dude, it's McDonalds! For like $0.89 they'll add bacon to whatever you want!

 

There's also the SUPER McMuffin. But a S&E and a Sausage mc'Muffin. Toss out two of the english muffin sides. Place it together for an S&E&S McMuffin. 700 cals, tons of fat and it's freakin GAME DAY baby!