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Topic: groin issue - plyos to strengthen?
Posted By: jsully
Subject: groin issue - plyos to strengthen?
Date Posted: 11/21/11 at 1:20am

So I pulled my groin ***AGAIN*** throwing o-stone on saturday. I dropped a really nice one out there at 49' which was a training PR and was looking for 50' when it popped again. I've pulled it about 5-6 times this year, mostly in the last 3 months. They have all been very minor to the point where I can squat, throw and jump with no pain 3-4 days later. Last year I had a fairly serious groin pull (same side = right adductor) that took about 6 weeks to heal. I'm guessing that it keeps pulling due to residual scar tissue from the original tear. It's extremely hard to get to that exact area with the foam roller so I'm going to be getting some deep tissue work done 2x/week for the next couple weeks.

My thoughts on how to make this area stronger: side to side/diagonal plyo jumps. I'm obv creating more power than this area can handle so I need to strengthen it up by 1) breaking down any weaknesses it has, such as scar tissue and 2) working the motion that it keeps failing on.

What are your thoughts?




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Posted By: Sean Betz
Date Posted: 11/21/11 at 9:36am
If its your right side, it may be due to lack of turning your right foot all the way through the middle.  Meaning if you are coming through with your shoulders and hips and not turning your foot, there will be an area taking the damage.  Just a thought.  Look at video of yourself throwing.  I doubt it's a strength issue. 


Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 11/21/11 at 9:58am

Originally posted by Sean Betz Sean Betz wrote:

If its your right side, it may be due to lack of turning your right foot all the way through the middle.  Meaning if you are coming through with your shoulders and hips and not turning your foot, there will be an area taking the damage.  Just a thought.  Look at video of yourself throwing.  I doubt it's a strength issue. 

I have been thinking about that a lot lately but I keep wondering why it's only every once in a while. Sometimes it's on big throws, sometimes it's on small ones and I absoutely never have an issue with braemar regardless of whether I remember to pivot or not. The pain goes away after 3-4 days and I can resume training, though I typically take an extra week off of stones.

I'm not suggesting the plyos so that I can become stronger, moreso so that the muscle fibers can get stronger so they can take more abuse. Kind of like people who have hamstring issues, doing lots and lots of light RDLs. They don't do it to get stronger to move more weight, they do it to "bulletproof" them. Make sense?

I really wish I would have video taped that throw so I could have seen exactly what went wrong. Ugh.



Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 11/23/11 at 4:03am

j - use the adductor machine at your gym.

Yeah , I know it's a "chick" machine but it works - go slow and start light and work on range of motion.

Slow to strengthen and heal

Move faster when it's well - no plyos till very confident



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Posted By: phatmiked
Date Posted: 11/23/11 at 6:03am
I was thinking the same thing about making sure to keep the right foot turning in the middle.  But, it carries more weight coming from Sean.

Another thought . . . flexibility, flexibility, flexibility.

you are a knowledgeable guy when it comes to all this stuff, so i am sure you know plenty of stretches to work the area.  Make sure you are dedicating an appropriate amount of time to this aspect of performance, prevention, and recovery.


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Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 11/24/11 at 4:49pm

http://youtu.be/Uj3TwGBK4Pw" rel="nofollow nofollow - http://youtu.be/Uj3TwGBK4Pw

vid of my pull from tucson. wrap was off, upper was hella early, but all that is beside the point. I don't think my feet ever get into a position to injure the groin.

baab, thanks, I'll def start doing that and yes dickens, I need to work flexibility. Ever since my hamstring pull in 2009, my right leg has been WAY tighter than my left.. Time to fix this. Thanks for the help fellas.



Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 11/26/11 at 6:13am
Tell me you've had Graston done on it? 

If not, then based on what you are saying that is the obvious answer imo.

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Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 11/28/11 at 1:35am
no, but I had a MT work on my legs yesterday for an hour and a half. Then I was told I could use another 5+ sessions to break up all the scar tissue in there (not just my groin, but all over). Looks like I'll be having weekly visits for a month or 2.


Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 11/28/11 at 1:48am
You NEED to have Graston done on it. 

If you don't have someone that does that already, find someone.    

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Posted By: MAT$O
Date Posted: 11/28/11 at 4:25am
I know this is silly but so you know when you are hurting
it. Maybe in the reverse?

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Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 11/28/11 at 5:48am

Originally posted by MAT$O MAT$O wrote:

I know this is silly but so you know when you are hurting
it. Maybe in the reverse?

I feel it pull in the push/explode and that significantly decreases my output at that point, but it's too late to stop the throw by then so I just finish it.



Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 11/29/11 at 12:30am
Having been married a very long time, I would shameless use this for a massage from my spouse, or at least give it a try?  Hey, work the medical angle.

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Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 11/29/11 at 2:13am

Originally posted by Silverback Silverback wrote:

Having been married a very long time, I would shameless use this for a massage from my spouse, or at least give it a try?  Hey, work the medical angle.

massage = meh

rolling pin = good

elbow = pain = fantastic

 

my mrs helped me out a few days ago but for some reason, she can never hit the "trouble" areas... lol. i should tell her that a nice long back massage will loosen up my erectors which will loosen my hamstrings which will help heal my groin. hahahahahhaa




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