Shoes.
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Topic: Shoes.
Posted By: brandell
Subject: Shoes.
Date Posted: 10/09/11 at 5:54am
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Are turf shoes the best overall way to go? Any of you guys
use the Tanel's? If so what do you think of them? ------------- |
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Posted By: Rakeatthegates
Date Posted: 10/09/11 at 8:35am
| I have recently switched to Track spikes for cheapness and I was having some issues with my cleats. They seems to be another option. |
Posted By: KiltBill
Date Posted: 10/09/11 at 11:42am
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Tanels are the best shoes I've had since my PF flyers as a kid. ------------- Remember Kay Cummings, Father of the Highland Games in the Southeast and my friend. Lets Go Run With The Big Dogs! |
Posted By: D. Haakenson
Date Posted: 10/09/11 at 12:32pm
| I love shoes. I have about 5 pairs that I wear for different events and different conditions, probably 4 more than I need at my level, but I really like to wear one track spike on my left (pushing) foot and a throwing shoe on my right (turning) foot, for weights and stones. If the conditions are very hard and grabby or if I'm throwing off of platforms I use throwing shoes on both feet. I think that wearing any kind of high topped football cleat is just too hard on my knees to try to pivot in, but for caber its nice to have spikes or cleats in the back to plant with. High Jump or Javelin shoes are good for this. |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/09/11 at 1:54pm
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I threw in Javelin shoes at one time, they were pretty
cool. Thinking of checking out the turf Tanel's and see how they go, just wanted some feedback from those that use them. ------------- |
Posted By: mthompson33
Date Posted: 10/09/11 at 2:55pm
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You know me... I jumped on the Javelin shoe bandwagon almost as soon as I learned about them. Love them. Just grippy enough. Had to put in some heel spikes after trying to castrate myself with a caber in KC...
------------- Matt Thompson "If you wake up and you're not in pain, you know you're dead." -- Russian Proverb |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/09/11 at 3:01pm
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Damn... may have to check out the javelin shoes again. ------------- |
Posted By: mthompson33
Date Posted: 10/09/11 at 3:20pm
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Check for sales. Got mine off Eastbay for about $50... I figured when Spencer, Matt V., Quint, and Andy V. were all throwing in them, there had to be something to them. They are alot like throwing shoes for grass... ------------- Matt Thompson "If you wake up and you're not in pain, you know you're dead." -- Russian Proverb |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/09/11 at 11:57pm
Hey I started off with them and loved them but that big shoe place in Tulsa closed. ------------- |
mthompson33 wrote:Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/10/11 at 1:40am
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Turf shoes (soccer) are fine (Betz, KO, Vierra, etc... since we're throwing names around ;-)
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Posted By: RCrazyWolf4
Date Posted: 10/10/11 at 3:12am
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These http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/Five-Fingers-Komod o-Sport-Mens.htm Try them a few times before you give in to the urge to guffaw. ------------- I've come to free you from your complicated lives! Free you from the complicated part I mean, not the lives part. |
Posted By: Sammy68123
Date Posted: 10/10/11 at 5:23am
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How have you found them to work out? I have a pair of the Komodo Sports, but have not tried them out for throwing. PM me if you don't want to create any more guffaws <g>. ------------- Teresa Merrick Bellevue, NE |
Posted By: Soul Eater
Date Posted: 10/10/11 at 7:00pm
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I think you should have several pairs of shoe's depending on events and field
conditions I just don't believe you can get by with one pair and hammer boots. I guess some do but it ain't me. I do prefer leather to plastic or vinyl. |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/11/11 at 6:07am
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I already have a pair of vibrams but not gonna throw in them ------------- |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/11/11 at 6:37am
No. ------------- |
Posted By: RCrazyWolf4
Date Posted: 10/11/11 at 11:04am
Why? ------------- I've come to free you from your complicated lives! Free you from the complicated part I mean, not the lives part. |
Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 10/11/11 at 12:02pm
| does anybody throw wob (standing) in OL shoes? I tried this last week and felt a much stronger base, going 4/6 at 16'. I'm a barefoot deadlifter and these felt just amazing. Can't wait to use these on the field. |
Posted By: MAT$O
Date Posted: 10/11/11 at 1:40pm
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throwing in vibrams is dumb....
sully I throw wob in OL shoes... always have so does Andy. Jav boots or high jump shoes for my bet. light strong shoes with spikes and heel spikes. ------------- USPlabs Conquest Nutrition SPORT KILT Clevenger Sheaves http://www.mattvincent.net/store-3/training-lab-2/" rel="nofollow - Training LAB ebook "Strength Training for The Highland Games |
Posted By: RCrazyWolf4
Date Posted: 10/11/11 at 2:01pm
Why? ------------- I've come to free you from your complicated lives! Free you from the complicated part I mean, not the lives part. |
Posted By: Jason Cherry
Date Posted: 10/11/11 at 2:24pm
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How about Chuck Taylor high tops? ------------- "Example is the best precept." ~ Aesop |
Posted By: Sammy68123
Date Posted: 10/11/11 at 3:07pm
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+1--why? The only reason I might NOT use VFFs would be in WOB is to get a little height advantage with a thicker shoe. The opposite idea of why to DL in slippers vs thicker shoes (consistent with what the rules allow). ------------- Teresa Merrick Bellevue, NE |
Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 10/11/11 at 5:34pm
| I threw in chucks before.. my worst throwing experience ever.. couldn't get any traction |
Posted By: Tim Pinkerton
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 12:41am
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Why would a person throw in vibrams? This whole bare foot training thing has gotten way out of control! ------------- "Big ain't Strong...Strong is Strong." Visit our training page at: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Get-U-Fit-Training-Systems/119414814828174 - http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Get-U-Fit-Training-Systems/ 119414814828174 |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 1:08am
fyp ------------- |
Posted By: Sammy68123
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 2:03am
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fyp = ??? ------------- Teresa Merrick Bellevue, NE |
Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 3:08am
| fyp = fixed your post. look at what craig corrected in the quote vs the original post |
Posted By: Ryan Stewart
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 4:08am
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If you feel like the shoe helps you throw big then wear it. It's what ever
works for you. Vibrams included. ------------- John Gallagher- "MASS MOVES MASS" |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 5:18am
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Humm being 5'9" I need all the help I can get so WOB will now be done in my Olympic lifting shoes. And I think I am going to try and find some cheap javelin shoes again. I loved those things, good to see some strong throwers wearing them still. ------------- |
Posted By: RCrazyWolf4
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 6:58am
Because, following your tag line, 'Strong is strong'. Why would you want any part of your body to be weak, from your feet to your fingers? External support tends to make you weaker, no? Let your body work, not your equipment. ------------- I've come to free you from your complicated lives! Free you from the complicated part I mean, not the lives part. |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 7:07am
In that same lol line of thought, are you saying that something like compression shorts make you weaker because they provide external support? Wearing a wrist support while throwing the stone makes you weaker because it provides external support? Knee sleeves? Elbow sleeves? And exactly how would this "make you weaker"? ------------- |
Posted By: Jason Cherry
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 10:15am
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Curious...how would you wear Vibrams and kilt socks at the
same time? Competition uniform is kilt, socks, and flashes, no? ------------- "Example is the best precept." ~ Aesop |
Posted By: RCrazyWolf4
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 2:09pm
Do you wear your compression shorts all the time? Or your wrist wraps? Would you wear a weight belt cinched up all day? If you wear support all the time, it will make you weaker. The support takes over the job of what the muscles are supposed to be doing. Do you wear shoes with support most of your waking hours? If you do, that support is taking over the job that the muscles in your feet should be doing. Maybe there is a misunderstanding here; I wear my VFF every chance I can (not for only an hour or two each day), everywhere I can which is essentially going barefoot. Not having anything support my feet makes the muscles work, making them stronger and I have noticed a difference. Arch supports and other support in your shoe is closer to the support a cast on a broken arm would give you rather than compression support. What happens to the muscles in your arm as it is immobilized for four weeks to let the bone heal? Same type of thing happens to the muscles in your feet as they are supported by modern shoes. As I said before, trying something before dismissing it would give you a better barometer of how it might work. There is also plenty of research out there to be found on this specific topic examining all sides of the physiological response to external support. It is my understanding that neoprene sleeves have an insulating effect, not a strong supportive one, and are worn over the joints because the joints receive little blood flow to keep them warm. ------------- I've come to free you from your complicated lives! Free you from the complicated part I mean, not the lives part. |
Posted By: RCrazyWolf4
Date Posted: 10/12/11 at 2:12pm
Not exactly kilt hose, but it works. http://www.injinji.com/tetratsok/excelerator.html - Injinji ------------- I've come to free you from your complicated lives! Free you from the complicated part I mean, not the lives part. |
Posted By: Tim Pinkerton
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 12:17am
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I'm not really worried about how I perform barefoot since I NEVER throw or train (or do anything but swim and shower) barefoot. I will always have shoes on. So I guess that's good...from the sports specificity aspect. I never played a football game without a helmet on to toughen up my head either though. ------------- "Big ain't Strong...Strong is Strong." Visit our training page at: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Get-U-Fit-Training-Systems/119414814828174 - http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Get-U-Fit-Training-Systems/ 119414814828174 |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 12:37am
lol @ your strawmanning.
The question was regarding shoes to throw in, not shoes to wear around the house all day. So, no I don't wear my compression shorts/wrist wraps/weight belt all day, BUT I DO WEAR IT IN THE GYM, JUST LIKE I WEAR MY THROWING SHOES WHEN I THROW. Given that line of thought, since there is more stress whilst throwing, it would make MORE SENSE to wear a more supportive shoe during that time. I'm not sure if you're just being obtuse or your reading comprehension is lacking and you thought the question was "what are the best shoes to wear everyday to strengthen your feet?" It wasn't.
Yes, obv.
Maybe there is. Please show me one study that says wearing shoes makes muscles in the feel weaker, which is what you stated happens.
I don't need to potentially waste time, show me the science that supports and I will.
I'm looking for that research to back up what you said specifically. Please post it. I'll even help you out by posting this: http://sportsci.org/jour/0103/mw.htm - http://sportsci.org/jour/0103/mw.htm Where it states, "...well-designed studies of the effects of barefoot and shod running on injury are lacking" AND "...there are no published controlled trials of the effects of running barefoot on simulated or real competitive performance".
Are you seriously arguing the semantics of compression vs. support? So a sleeve providing compression doesn't count as supportive gear because it also has an insulative effect and doesn't fall in line with your position? loooooool ok. ------------- |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 12:40am
But if you wear shoes all the time YOUR FEET WILL GET WEAK, and then eventually you will have to shower with shoes on or you won't be able to move around.  ------------- |
Posted By: mike pockoski
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 12:44am
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tight shoes...
one reason lifting shoes work is because they are stiff and have a dense sole, thus there's less energy that goes into deforming the shoe and more energy that goes into the floor / moving the bar. watch a slow-mo of shoes deforming during a jump and you'll see the sole compress and the sidewalls of the shoe bulge out (e.g. a naked foot deforms laterally too in order to spread the load with steps, jumps, etc.) work to deform feet, shoes, soles = loss of energy i want every bit of my energy to go into my throw, so i wear leather shoes that are a size small and lace them TIGHT. some of the best throws of the year are at games where the ground is hard. you lose less energy deforming the soil and more goes into the throw. people will say the trig is "fast" but what they really mean is it's hard and we're not sinking into the ground when we land. throwing in those silly toe slippers is just damn silly. |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 1:09am
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Love watching little weak dudes that don't throw far argue with strong dudes that do. Fail.
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Posted By: Sammy68123
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 2:43am
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That's why USA is great: everyone is entitled to hold and spout his/her opinion, whether or not the person has actual experience with the practice in question. 1. There are not any studies that support the efficacy of running shoes either (Richards, Magin, & Callister, 2009, British Journal of Sports Medicine, 43: 159-162). In fact, from the article at the link Craig posted, the next sentence after the one he quoted is "However, there have been several studies implicating footwear in the etiology of injuries in runners." 2. No one seems to criticize using DL slippers for deadlifting while powerlifting. However, even though many models of VFFs meet the technical definition of "shoes" for IPF, the separated toes have resulted in the shoes being disallowed because their appearance might "bring disrepute to the sport". Lame. 3. The prevailing sports medicine opinions on minimalist shoes (during a symposium on barefoot running at the American College of Sports Medicine's June 2011 meeting) is that less shoe can certainly be fine and useful. But it's okay to protect your foot when you need to: from cold, from uncontrollable impacts, etc. Often the knee-jerk reaction to wearing VFFs while lifting weights is about dropping a weight on my foot. First, I point out that the shoe the person is wearing won't offer any better protection (person usually agrees); second, I tell them that I have a powerful incentive to keep my awareness so I don't drop a weight by being mindless. 4. The analogy from Tim P about the helmet for football is flawed because you're talking about protecting from/mitigating impacts that aren't controllable or predictable. 5. Many respected fitness authorities advocate barefoot training: Martin Rooney and Pavel Tsatsouline are just a couple who come to mind. 6. Use VFFs, compression shorts, knee/elbow sleeves to whatever extent you want and feel it helps you. Or NOT. You're free to think it's all silly without even trying it. But I humbly suggest that you not knock it too loudly until you've tried it. And then at least know specifically what about it didn't work for you rather than dismissing based on looks, the opinions of others, or other preconceived ideas. Teresa Merrick, Ph.D./Bellevue, NE |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 2:57am
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1. I said nothing regarding injury, and neither did Mr. Cazywolf. I only disputed his claim that wearing shoes "makes muscles in the feet weaker". Which is why I didn't continue the quote, it's irrelevant to this discussion regarding shoes to throw in. 2. Seems standard to me. They bring disrepute to anyone who wears them. 3. No argument. 4. No more flawed than your point regarding injuries, which wasn't discussed. Nor your study cited above regarding the efficacy of running shoes. 5. Ok. There are a billion competitive runners who run in shoes. Neither of our points there really matters. 6. I'm dismissing it on looks firstly, but a lack of science tells me it's something I don't need secondly. If you are really going to argue that it's better to throw in VFFs vs. a circular patterned turf shoe, then I'd love to hear why, cause I haven't heard it yet and that's what this thread is about. Craig Smith, B.S./Dayton, OH ------------- |
Posted By: Beau Fay
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 4:26am
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------------- "Some people like to go out dancing... other people like us, we gotta work." -Lou Reed |
Posted By: Tim Pinkerton
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 6:37am
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For deadlifting VFF's or any minimilist shoe makes great sense (minus the fashion sense). There is only one angle of force (straight down) and no changing of direction. For throwing...well there's a lot of angles, parallaxes, etc... Traction alone is a good enough reason to leave the VFF's at home (or better, the store) but once you throw in Mike Pockoski's point, well, you see what I'm saying. ------------- "Big ain't Strong...Strong is Strong." Visit our training page at: http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Get-U-Fit-Training-Systems/119414814828174 - http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Get-U-Fit-Training-Systems/ 119414814828174 |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 8:40am
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I dead lift in a wrestling shoe, it not only lowers me to the ground, but it looks very swanky and athletic. And if someone comes onto the platform and makes the mistake of doing some curls, you can shoot a single leg take down with ease and comfort. The male foot is functional, not ornamental.
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Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 9:52am
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^^ This +1 ------------- |
Posted By: Sammy68123
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 4:17pm
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I used to use wrestling shoes (Adidas) for DL, but the soles had a slight longitudinal curve to them that threw my balance off slightly with my sumo DL (got red-lighted for hitching in a meet once while recovering my footing and balance). Switched to Chuck Taylors for competition with totally flat sole and never had a problem afterward. Right now my 1RM raw, no-belt in VFFs is only 10# off my 1RM raw with lever powerbelt in CTs. And possibly only because I haven't pushed my DL any harder in training, focusing instead on speed DL during the throwing season. With VFFs, I've found that temporarily transitioning back to CTs while prepping for a PL meet has been pretty much transparent. Improving form in a minimalist shoe can definitely help when a shoe is required. ------------- Teresa Merrick Bellevue, NE |
Posted By: Sammy68123
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 4:23pm
Of course, ballet dancers also perform direction changes, and move through angles, parallaxes, etc in ballet slippers. Pointe shoes are for particular moves, but not all ballet dancers go on pointe. ------------- Teresa Merrick Bellevue, NE |
Posted By: RCrazyWolf4
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 5:42pm
lol @ your lol-ing and continued attempts at ridicule.
No, I was responding the question of why would you throw in VFF and then your 'fix' to the post of why would you wear them at all. Your density seems to be increasing or you fail to realize that discussions evolve as they progress and different issues get addressed.
I didn't explicitly say that modern shoes with support make your feet weaker (they do), I said making your feet work without the support make your feet stronger. Did you think the semi-colon meant 'stop reading here'? The two sentences after explain my position, maybe you should have included that in your quote of me  .I thought you were king of 'teh Google'? Eh, I suppose everyone needs help at times ... http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/5BarefootRunning&TrainingTips.html - Harvard website where the findings are posted Go down just a liiiiiiitle bit ... there, you got it! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100127134241.htm - Harvard study cited in Science Daily I know it's the same info but it's presented in a different way plus there are some interesting links, in case others wish to explore further. Scroll down about 3/4 the way on http://activespineandsport.net/news/strengthen-feet-with-less-shoe/ - this page and you can download the PDF of 3 studies. The last one doesn't really pertain to a study on strength ... http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=16&ved=0CD0QFjAFOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ithaca.edu%2Fhshp%2Fess%2FAT%2FArticles%2520%26%2520Documents%2FSMAT%2520Journal%2520Articles%2FLE%2520Injuries%2520Eval%2FHyperpronation%2520and%2520Foot%2520Pain.PDF&rct=j&q=wearing%20shoes%20makes%20the%20muscles%20feet%20weaker%20study&ei=5LKXTqjsH8yJtweOz6zXAg&usg=AFQjCNHfxMmVHGFkW8q2zwFFMkRto7D9Lg&cad=rja - This study (again, as a PDF) cites shoes as having a splinting effect and causing weakness in the foot.
Like the time you're wasting here trying to discredit something you have no experience with?
My apologies, I was trying to be concise. I thought it was obvious about what happens to muscles when they are immobilized, constantly supported or splinted. I tried to further describe my point by using the arm-in-a-cast example. If you are looking for something specific to the feet, refer to the links above. I did find one interesting piece of research about what happens to type I and type II fibers in the muscles of dog legs when they are anesthetized and traumatized before splinting, anesthetized and traumatized with no splinting and the control group.
Not arguing semantics at all, I was trying to say that the main purpose of neoprene sleeves is heat retention. Their role in support is minimal but their benefits to reducing injury by increasing blood flow to the joint are measurable. I will endeavor to be clearer in the future. Bottom Line: Brandell asked for opinions on throwing shoes and I gave mine. I have hundreds of practice throws with VFF and I have a little over a hundred throws in competition using them. Of the people discussing this topic I appear to be the only one with any real experience actually throwing in all events (even caber) with these particular shoes. The rest of what has been proffered here is conjecture. Brandell, if you want to know what my experiences are with the VFF, positive and negative, I'll be more than happy to share in excruciating detail. Sidebar: For a community that risks ridicule by wearing 'skirts' and tossing 'logs' every other weekend during the warm months, some of you are sure quick to ridicule others if it challenges your delicate sensibilities. Also, how do you edit your mistakes? I noticed that you edited though to thought in one of your earlier posts. I don't see an edit button on my posts ... ------------- I've come to free you from your complicated lives! Free you from the complicated part I mean, not the lives part. |
Posted By: RCrazyWolf4
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 5:58pm
So by your logic you personally can't argue with anyone who throws farther or is stronger than you (or is bigger than you)? Does that mean throws farther than you right now or ever in the past (same goes for strength)? So there you go, silverback has spoken, open season on everyone who is weaker or throws shorter than you do. How about this: I love hearing guys who cry when they lose at the caber give advice on how to turn it. Fail. Or this one: Love seeing guys who carry their swords around with them in their truck to remind them of how great they are tell other dudes to man up. Fail. Do those work too? And how do you know how weak or strong I am? Have you been following me again? I knew your interest in me was more than just casual. Maaaaaaan, now I'm going to have to ask the Courts to bump you back another 100 feet. Feel like pulling that 'ornamental' foot out of your mouth yet? ------------- I've come to free you from your complicated lives! Free you from the complicated part I mean, not the lives part. |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/13/11 at 10:05pm
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I have fun on the board, and esp with discussions like this. Roger, I will address your response when I return from Stone Mountain if the novelty of this thread hasn't worn off by then. Thanks for posting studies, I will read them. ------------- |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 10/14/11 at 1:08am
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Rog, I love you back on the radar and posting. But I have to tell you, I would not know if you were standing next to me, I know I saw you at a game years ago, but I just don't remember you, sorry. If your larger and stronger than Craig and Mike, god bless you. ------------- Mule Sportkilt AST Sport Supplements |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/14/11 at 2:30am
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'I like this message board....it's exciting!' - Scotty ------------- |
Posted By: RCrazyWolf4
Date Posted: 10/15/11 at 5:05am
I know I know, you are very important and I am not. I've never stopped posting; I happen to think not every topic on this board requires me to comment. If I wasn't the 'little weak dude who doesn't throw far' you were referring to then to whom was that in reference, regarding this discussion? Was it Sammy? Brandell? C. Smith? Ryan Stewart? Because if it wasn't me due to your lack of remembering what I look like, you just insulted someone else involved in this discussion. I know your M.O., you try to take a poke at someone and then when you are called to task for it you back peddle faster than the loser from the Monty Python sketch 'The Upper Class Twit of the Year'. When you have to resort to derision and ridicule, you have no argument and your words become irrelevant. ------------- I've come to free you from your complicated lives! Free you from the complicated part I mean, not the lives part. |
Posted By: Silverback
Date Posted: 10/16/11 at 3:33am
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Haha, your a funny little man. Do you throw or lift or just type? Post some video of anything you have done, won or set a record at please so I can refresh my mind of your greatness. And with this great advice your giving, how high have you thrown the wob in those shoes or any shoes anytime? Just lay a number on us for a game we can look at and check. No bs, no argue, just facts on YOU and what YOU have done. Mine are easy, they are in the record book. As in world record. I just went and checked and did not see your name anyplace.
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Posted By: Soul Eater
Date Posted: 10/17/11 at 6:50pm
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I really like what Mike had to say about shoes the smaller size thing I
understand, however I like my shoes the size of my foot, smaller would hurt my toes too much. I think if you want to go minimalist then there are better choices out their as far as function and looks, such as NB and Merrill's they look like a shoe and you get that barefoot feeling, however a track spike or a CC spike would be very minimalist and accomplish the same thing. Mr. Wolf regardless of all the support you have found for these shoes, people don't like the way they look and that's ok. You have to realize, it's their opinion. I can't understand why you would spend that kind of money on a throwing shoe when there are cheaper and proven alternatives, unless you bought them to run in and then applied them to throwing. I'm not sold on their looks at all. And I think your picking a fight, and you should stop. That's not what this forum is for. |
Posted By: Borges
Date Posted: 10/18/11 at 2:30am
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I can't imagine throwing barefoot or with VFF. However, for the
record, there is one VERY ELITE HG thrower who would sometimes practice the HWFD barefoot. Now he did this to get a better feel for the throw and only did it in practice (as he related the story to me) so let's not get out of hand saying that there is no reason to ever try throwing barefoot because there really may be reasons to try it in certain circumstances. This guy is almost certainly the best technician in the history of the sport and he found it useful in his own development as a thrower. ------------- Cheers, Carlos "Live free or die" |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/18/11 at 4:59am
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I think I am gonna go back to the Javelin shoe. As for as VFF, I have a pair and not gonna try to throw in them. I have blown out enough bodyparts throwing, I am not going to intentionally try and throw in something that has no ankle support at all, nor has much traction at all. ------------- |
Posted By: Sammy68123
Date Posted: 10/18/11 at 6:09am
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So are you going with the hi-top Javelin shoe? The traction feature may prove useful. But I doubt that "ankle support" is going to prevent any other future blowouts. Any mobility you restrict at the ankle has to travel up the kinetic chain to the knees to bear the load, and so forth. ------------- Teresa Merrick Bellevue, NE |
Posted By: Sammy68123
Date Posted: 10/18/11 at 6:26am
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Function should ALWAYS take precedence over looks. I haven't worn NB Minimus yet, but I have a pair of Merrells (True Glove, not Trail Glove). I have them to be a bit more wetness resistant outdoors during walks than VFFs are with their fabric uppers and the Merrells serve that purpose. However, I don't find the Merrells have the same ground feel that VFFs have. But if the function I want in a particular shoe is not there, I won't care about its looks. ------------- Teresa Merrick Bellevue, NE |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/18/11 at 8:24am
I had a mid type shoe last time. They felt really good. ------------- |
Posted By: Sean Betz
Date Posted: 10/19/11 at 7:57am
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I carry 4 shoes in my checked-in bag. Hammer boots, light weight turf shoes, tanel-360's, and usually a deep cleat. Hammer boots for the obvious. Light weight turf-shoes for good hard ground and usually the stones, tanel 360's for the caber and depending on the terrain, the weights. A deep cleat if it is pouring down rain and or bad footing. I also carry a medium weight turf shoe in my carry on bag. That shoe is what I wear the most. If my checked in bag gets lost in transit, at least I have a multi-purpose shoe to get by with. As far as vibram's go, I think there are as many people that wear them because they are unique, as much as they enhance their performance. I wouldn't want to be running through a field of caber holes with a pair of vibram's on. Maybe I just have a vibram phobia. I feel like someone is going to pinch me with their long weird toes in those things. |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/19/11 at 8:07am
Sean, what medium type turf shoe are you using? ------------- |
Posted By: Sean Betz
Date Posted: 10/19/11 at 11:20pm
| I believe they are under armor brand. I got both pairs of turf shoes in Scotland at JB Sports. They have a good selection of turf shoes. |
Posted By: Jim Glover
Date Posted: 10/20/11 at 11:44am
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So for a noob would I be best served with Tanel turf shoes or javelin shoes? I've been wearing Montrail Hardrock trail running shoes and they've done alright but I figure I need something a little more sport specific. ------------- "A single one of us can defeat your whole army. If you do not believe it, you may try, only please order your army to stop shooting with firearms." - Mameluke Chieftain Kurtbay |
Posted By: phatmiked
Date Posted: 10/20/11 at 12:31pm
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FWIW I like to roll with a tanel turf lite on my left foot and well worn nike turf shoe on my right foot for open stone. If throwing braemar, I just go ahead and wear them. If it is particularly slick, I will go with a nike cleat on the left. i roll with the tanel turf lites for the weights and caber. sheaf, either the tanels, or my normal kicks which are trail runners. for wob, i normally wear the tanels. i have toyed with the idea of wearing my oly lifting shoes. makes sense for body position and reducing lost energy. for the few times I will deploy the spin for height, i will roll in the tanels. the VFF are interesting in many ways. but, for HG, I think the lack of traction is a no go for me. ------------- |
Posted By: RCrazyWolf4
Date Posted: 10/20/11 at 3:02pm
Haw haw, "your" a funny little man too because you don't know the difference between your possessive and the contraction you're (short for you are), which I'm assuming is the version you intended. Classic, avoid everything I have said so you can try to ridicule and attack in another way. IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER ME THEN WHO IS THE 'little weak dude' YOU ARE REFERRING TO IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST? Like I said, I'm not the important one nor am I the one claiming any greatness, that's all you. Is the rest of your life so devoid of happiness and accomplishment that this is what you have to cling to? Having a world record doesn't change the fact that you're a tool. You really want to do this? In public? At this point you should probably just walk away. I know you won't because your ego won't let you. The only people who could save you from your idiocy are the ones who have the power to edit and modify this board. I'll write it one more time because either you didn't read it the first time or you couldn't read it: When you have to resort to derision and ridicule you have no argument and you become irrelevant. All you do on this board is take swipes at people, for no other reason than to make you feel better about you. Maybe next time you could bring something useful to the discussion other than your usual BS. (Please note how I used your and you're properly in the proper situation because if you pay attention you might learn something!) ------------- I've come to free you from your complicated lives! Free you from the complicated part I mean, not the lives part. |
Posted By: AlDargie
Date Posted: 10/20/11 at 10:23pm
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I am just an average Masters thrower so take this for what
it's worth - .02. I have 2 pairs of shoes in my bag. If the conditions are dry I will wear a standard Nike soccer turf shoe. Has good traction and let's me turn without being too grippy (sp?). If conditions are wet, I have a standard cleat and that keeps a good amount of crud from building up on the bottom. ------------- Dyin' ain't much of a living, boy. - Outlaw Josey Wales |
Posted By: Sammy68123
Date Posted: 10/21/11 at 1:57am
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The Treks/Treksports have little lugs on the sole. http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/Five-Fingers-KSO-Trek-Mens.htm - http://www.vibramfivefingers.com/products/Five-Fingers-KSO-T rek-Mens.htm The difference in the two models is that the Treks have kangaroo leather over the fabric upper; the Treksports are have just the fabric (feel cooler, temperature-wise). Just FYI. ------------- Teresa Merrick Bellevue, NE |
Posted By: Mr. Natural
Date Posted: 10/21/11 at 2:08am
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Except for hammer, I've been wearing Adidas turf shoes for everything for
the last twelve years or so. Don't overthink this stuff. ------------- Dave Barron |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 10/21/11 at 2:21am
Thank you. ------------- |
Posted By: Soul Eater
Date Posted: 10/21/11 at 4:53am
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They should put a patch of fur on the tops of those 5 fingers and then you
can pretend your a hobbit and not a thrower. |
Posted By: Sammy68123
Date Posted: 10/21/11 at 5:52am
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I can BE a thrower while pretending to be a hobbit, thank you very much. No reason the fur would interfere with throwing. Now if YOU want to pretend to be both a hobbit and a thrower at the same time, you are certainly entitled to do so. Or without the fur, you can just pretend to be a thrower. ------------- Teresa Merrick Bellevue, NE |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 10/21/11 at 6:00am
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LMAO +1 ------------- |
Posted By: Jim Glover
Date Posted: 10/21/11 at 10:34am
Thanks. ------------- "A single one of us can defeat your whole army. If you do not believe it, you may try, only please order your army to stop shooting with firearms." - Mameluke Chieftain Kurtbay |
Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 10/25/11 at 2:43pm
No chit? Hm. It'd suck to drop the weight on your foot though. I started out wearing Nike football cleats. Man, were my feet tired at the end of the day. Then I got some high-top Nike artifical turf shoes. Loved them, but the soles keep coming unglued. Now I have a pair of Adidas Turf Hogs and I love them. However, I took the Nike artificial turf shoes to Ventura, because I knew we'd be throwing off of those plywood platforms with the astrocarpet. Worked great. Cleats are good in long, wet grass. If you gotta have one thing, then keep it simple. Get some kind of turf shoe. Then go throw. ------------- Alan Hebert Geezer-In-Training |
Posted By: Nathan Parker
Date Posted: 10/26/11 at 7:53am
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I think I'll try the ADIDAS tuf shoe next year. I have been using a running shoe and an old pair of high jump shoes for when its wet. ------------- Sport Kilt JDJ Caber Company Hylete.com |
Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 10/26/11 at 11:12am
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unless you've got steel toed boots on, I'm pretty sure it'd suck to drop the weight on your foot regardless of your choice in feet attire |
Posted By: Sean
Date Posted: 10/27/11 at 7:46am
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I'm goofy. I like my vibrams. Especially for travel because I can extend my leg just a LITTLE longer and my knees like that. I've squatted in the silly things. Deadlifted too. But I would never throw or do anything explosive in them. The feet slide around in them a bit. Unstable. Wastes energy. Feels wrong. Tight shoes, hard ground, long throws. |
Posted By: M-BAAB
Date Posted: 11/02/11 at 1:29am
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Adidas Turf Hogs +1 Easy on the feet and work on most surfaces. ------------- 51 , 72 and 15 at 50 |
Posted By: Mike Beech
Date Posted: 11/20/11 at 4:10am
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I'm a serious newbie, but I have been happy with the New Balance
Minimus trail runners. I have only thrown in two games with pretty good conditions, though. I can highly recommend them as a good all-around training shoe. Anyone else have experience with these? ------------- http://www.txceltics.org" rel="nofollow - Texas Celtic Athletic Association http://www.throwbros.com" rel="nofollow - Throw Bros. - Aaron vs. Mike |
Posted By: Lance Creed
Date Posted: 11/28/11 at 10:44am
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I wear a pair of saucony turf spikes for everything but hammer and caber.
For those I wear an old pair of cleats. I like the spikes because they aren't too grippy and were a whopping $20 on amazon, my cleats cost me a whole $15. |
Posted By: Tim P
Date Posted: 12/13/11 at 3:58am
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I purchased a pair of VFFs this summer and love them for everyday wear when I can, in the office, out and about or around the house. I prefer barefeet all the time, but it's difficult to achieve that in a paved environment. VFFs are as close as it gets without the "stepping on glass" and parasite dangers. Water shoes or mocs are a close second...basically anything with a flat, thin, flexible sole. Fore- or mid-foot strikes instead of heel-strikes, ftw. That said, some environments don't lend themselves well to VFFs or mocs or barefeet. Any jobsite I vist requires boots(both legally and practically). Too many hazards to wear comfortable footwear there. Glad I'm the office monkey and dont have to spend 8 hrs a day in boots.  Working out, I use the VFFs, but sometimes wear an ankle brace because of prior injury. I used to run a lot when younger, turned my ankle dozens of times. (running heel-toe back then  ...) Throwing, I use adidas cleats. They give better grip than VFFs, IMO. And I do want a little extra support when throwing, just like the ankle wraps, the knee wraps, the elbow wraps and other neoprene supports and trusses I mummify myself with. Honestly, I dont trust that my left ankle will hold up as well in VFFs under those circumstances...yet. It's not as easy as one might think, learning to walk again after a lifetime of Frankensteining in heeled shoes... so I'm with Roger on the daily wear. "Barefoot"/minimalist has made my feet healthier and stronger since I began to abandon shoes, just like deadlifting has made my back stronger and healthier since I began to consistently do it. But I wont attempt what for me is heavy weight without a belt. Ditto for throwing without "support" shoes. The way I see it, barefoot is healthier, but not necessarily prudent in ALL circumstances, FOR ME. But elevated heels? I try to avoid it. Re: the paucity of research about bare vs. shod foot health, I agree with the following...."While there are no definitive injury studies that support barefoot over shod running, there is a growing body of literature that suggests we may need to change our thinking about running mechanics, footwear and how we treat the foot." http://www.jfootankleres.com/content/4/S1/A3" rel="nofollow - http://www.jfootankleres.com/content/4/S1/A3 Research takes time. ------------- "What's the matter boy? you got ants in your pants? No Ma'am...hot steel balls!" Jerry Clower |