Spin to Glide Ratio
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Topic: Spin to Glide Ratio
Posted By: Schwab_Man
Subject: Spin to Glide Ratio
Date Posted: 1/03/11 at 11:44am
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For anyone who has been around the block a few times, what do you think is the spin to glide ratio in this sport weather it be in pro meets or amature meets? I''ve only seen 2 pros do a glide. Craig Smith is one of them and another guy that I saw in Fair Hill, MD almost 2 years ago. I believe this guy is from Cleveland, OH. That's only 2 but I'm sure other pros glide besides these guys. |
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 1/03/11 at 1:07pm
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Off the top of my head, in the pros it's me and Betz. Occasional glide appearances from Valenti and Dave Barron, but they don't consistently do it. ------------- |
Posted By: agm_
Date Posted: 1/03/11 at 1:40pm
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In the amateurs, Dan Royal glides, and a few years ago led the
NASGA rankings, both ams & pros, with a 57' throw. For those who don't know, Dan is now on the US bobsled team. |
Posted By: RoadWarrior
Date Posted: 1/04/11 at 7:12am
| At the Am Worlds in MN this year I believe 10 of the 12 were spinners. |
Posted By: Captain Slow
Date Posted: 1/04/11 at 9:00am
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For a lot of guys coming from an athletics background it was to do with how you trained for the shot on the concrete and that dictated what method you throw on grass. In Scotland it is mostly rotational/run in with a few guys doing linear. The Wentas are linear mainly from their background in athletics. ------------- Please, please, please dont f*ck about near or in electricity substations. |
Posted By: Ryan Stewart
Date Posted: 1/04/11 at 9:30am
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I will glide for the rest of my career. I have a really hard time not fouling with the spin. 8 out of 10 would foul. I can go 9 out of 10 with no foul with the glide. My PRs are all with the glide. Just way more consistant. ------------- John Gallagher- "MASS MOVES MASS" |
Posted By: Schwab_Man
Date Posted: 1/04/11 at 12:11pm
| Craig what is your reason for a glide? |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 1/05/11 at 2:25am
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I never threw anything before highland games, so the glide just seemed much easier to learn. I also thought that I didn't have to be as technically proficient to get a decent throw. I can spin now, but not with any consistency due to never practicing the spin. ------------- |
Posted By: mike pockoski
Date Posted: 1/05/11 at 7:41am
| i would glide if i could. |
Posted By: Pingleton
Date Posted: 1/05/11 at 7:54am
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Not what you were asking, but the bottom line is the spin
definitely has more potential for bigger throws at a given strength level, but it is somewhat more difficult to master and definitely less consistent, especially for those who have not truly mastered the technique and also when throwing off a slippery surface. Most HG guys use the South African style (half-rotation) because it is both somewhat easier to master and more consistent than the full spin. It seems like the only guys who use the full spin in the HG are former spin shot putters. ------------- We do not stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing. - George Bernard Shaw |
Posted By: Schwab_Man
Date Posted: 1/06/11 at 11:15am
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Sounds like the spin is easy to come by only cause these are amatures doing it but if they are at a world games than those 12 ppl are a step below pro material so they must ahve a good amount of experience. |
RoadWarrior wrote:Posted By: Schwab_Man
Date Posted: 1/06/11 at 11:17am
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So are you gonna put your mind on the spin? Do feel awrward doing the spin cause of your a tall guy? Aren't you like 6' 3"? |
Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 1/06/11 at 12:46pm
Nope. I haven't practiced since June 2006, and I don't plan on starting anytime soon, lol. It's only awkward cause I've never practiced it and am not very good at it. I'm 6'2". ------------- |
Posted By: phatmiked
Date Posted: 1/06/11 at 1:32pm
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Randy Barnes WR = 75'10.75" Ulf Timmermann former WR = 75'8" Spin is pretty sexy, but is it really any better? ------------- |
Posted By: Pingleton
Date Posted: 1/06/11 at 2:08pm
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I am not sure if the spin is "better", but I still say it
has more potential for bigger throws at a given strength level, while acknowledging it is often less consistent. The problem with your observation is that Timmermann never learned or used the spin, so we don't know what he might have thrown using that style. Many people believe that, despite the fact that he was the best glider ever, he would have been an even better spinner (due to his excellent speed, athleticism, and relatively moderate size). The bottom line is, try both styles and see what works for you. I was a terrible glider (albeit with very limited practice), but as a discus thrower the spin seemed very natural to me, although like many I had/have issues with consistency. Like many spinners, my standing throw is very poor relative to my better full throws. My training partner was exactly the opposite of me (in almost every way) and wouldn't have been able to spin if his life depended on it. ------------- We do not stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing. - George Bernard Shaw |
Posted By: Throwgrl
Date Posted: 1/06/11 at 5:30pm
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In high school, I threw shot and was taught to glide with two glides. Don't have the legs for it now at 63. When first throwing open stone, I did the full spin and liked it, but since my orthopedic surgery I just use the South African style, as the other bothers me. It works. ------------- You can overcome adversity! |
Posted By: Krazy40
Date Posted: 1/07/11 at 8:13am
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Most of those guys in MN games were former shot putters at one time. From what I've seen in my short times in the games, a lot of am's that spin, shouldn't be. The basics for the glide are simple to learn and would get better results. It takes many hours and reps to get the spin to where it is more beneficial then the glide. As more and more time comes between and my college days of every day shotput/discus throws, the worse and more inconsistent my stones throws get. ------------- Jeremy Gillingham "Go Big or Go Home" Sponsors: http://www.stoutbarbell.com/Home_Page.html http://www.backinact.com/newpatients.htm |
Posted By: Schwab_Man
Date Posted: 1/07/11 at 12:30pm
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I gusse it's like a 10/2 ratio in amatures and pros. I was in the woods last week and came upon a stone that might of weighed 17lbs. and started to mess around and recollected the stuff I learned about the glide from H.S. many years ago. Lets just say the spin looked bad enough to make you guys throw up and I agree withy what Krazy40 said totally. As of the best distance I'm sure it was over 40' but I can't give myself any credit because I.D.K if it was 17lbs. However, holding it on my neck like I did feel fine and not awkward and uncomfortable like I thoght it would be so for me getting a small taste of open stone that's good I gusse right? |
Posted By: crazysaladboy
Date Posted: 1/07/11 at 1:52pm
Jeremy, were you talking about me? I knew it! I am horrible at stones! I do get the most consistency from the S/A style, but want to figure out the full because it makes the usable size of the box larger. |
Posted By: jsully
Date Posted: 1/18/11 at 11:17am
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Chad Gustin threw glide in Tucson last november as well as Robert Young and Ryan Stewart. I could be wrong, but I think Rusty Price throws with a glide as well, but I'd have to watch my footage from the Ventura games as I just don't remember off the top of my head. I can't seem to figure out how to spin with something attached to my neck. WFD seems pretty natural to me for some reason and it's easy for me to spin, but not so much with the stones. I like the glide.. after a few sessions drilling you can get the muscle memory to get that lead foot down under you, then it's just a braemar from there.. |
Posted By: Alan H
Date Posted: 1/19/11 at 8:45am
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Rusty spins, but then he's only a year away from Collegiate shot putting and discus, in which he was the California Community College champ. I've been to a workshop with Rusty and he's entirely capable of spinning, South African and gliding. He would put up big numbers with any of them. I have to say, after what I learned the last few days....that it's pretty likely that anybody who spins has done (or should have done) a bucketload of South Africans for practice, as it's great for developing a sprint to the front of the ring/trig. Just my two cents, which is worth pretty much exactly that....two cents. We Highland throwers are generalists. We throw all kinds of stuff including big sticks. As such, not too many of us are as good as the very best dedicated shot putters. I mean, look at the best stone throws out there, they're nowhere near what elite shot putters do. There are only so many hours in the day and so many days in the week and we have to work on seven or eight events. So it makes sense to find what comes easiest, and do that as well as you can. Also...truth. A really well-done standing throw will go farther than a crummy glide with a big hesitation in it, and it will absolutely go farther than an out of control spin. I am working on a glide right now, and now after Camp Pockoski I will also spend some time spinning and see how it goes. Nonetheless, I strongly suspect that the most efficient use of my TIME is to make my stand throw the very best it can be. This thread is a good read, on the subject. http://www.nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7715&PN=1 - http://www.nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=771 5&PN=1 ------------- Alan Hebert Geezer-In-Training |
Posted By: Wes Kiser
Date Posted: 1/20/11 at 4:20am
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I was taught to spin in college so that is still the easiest for me to do with the open stone. While the full rotation can be inconsistent on difficult surfaces it is important to realize that a lot of the rotational shot putters actually learn the South African first to gain muscle memory of how the feet and hips turn and push in a rotational throw. This was the case when I began to learn how to rotate. A South African is much more consistent and I use it whenever I feel the need to however, I do get better throws from my full spin. In terms of which one is better it depends on the athlete. I feel that it has to do with athleticism and explosion. A person who has average balance but is extremely explosive would probably do better with the glide. A person who is athletic with good balance but not quite enough explosion to achieve high marks with the glide would probably see better throws with the spin. I myself glide 48-50 with a shot put and spin 52-55. I don't have the explosion for glide. For someone who has never had a coach to teach them how to spin I agree with Craig. The glide is easier to learn and a minor mess up won't cost you nearly as much in distance as a bad position in the rotation. ------------- Alright, let's do this. Huckleberrybeardcompany.com Crossfittrainingvalley.com www.kaijax.com www.kiltedfreek.weebly.com |