Where you SHOULD NEVER stand
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Topic: Where you SHOULD NEVER stand
Posted By: agm_
Subject: Where you SHOULD NEVER stand
Date Posted: 6/09/10 at 12:34pm
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Video of Andy Vincent throwing - I'm not sure where. Andy, you did nothing wrong. But this is a great example of where not to be if you're judging or pulling tape. At about 2:35, it's nearly tragic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LadHs40-fVY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LadHs40-fVY Remember, folks - not everybody out on the field knows what they're doing or how to stay safe. Look around, speak up, watch out for each other. |
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Posted By: C. Smith
Date Posted: 6/09/10 at 1:29pm
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oh sh*t. looked like a kid too. wow. As an athlete, plz don't be afraid to tell someone to move. ------------- |
Posted By: D.J.
Date Posted: 6/09/10 at 1:41pm
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I agree, that you can definitely tell them to move, as an athlete. But also, the people scoring/overseeing that event need to have everyone out of harms way. ------------- North American Highlander Association, Inc. www.nahighlander.com |
Posted By: ken crum
Date Posted: 6/09/10 at 3:23pm
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SSCCAAAAAAARRRREEEEY ------------- crum |
Posted By: McSanta
Date Posted: 6/09/10 at 4:47pm
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Thanks for posting the video and wise advice
At Shamrock games when judging the C's that contained some throwers who have been around, I kept chasing the throwers away from the release side. I got some good natured razing about my mantra of "standing on the release side is about the most dangerous place to stand" as they moved out of the danger zone. The point being even experienced throwers have lapses. The video really underscores why the judges need to be on their toes about where the throwers and assistants stand. Extremely scary ------------- Mark McVey "The work of science is to substitute facts for appearances and demonstrations for impressions." -John Ruskin |
Posted By: Skullsplitter
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 12:26am
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An injury to a judge or spectator is my greatest fear on the field. I am sure some have noticed my incessantly checking the situation to minimize chances of a tragic event. Listen to Craig, don't be afraid to get people to move away or change their position. ------------- "I am the thread, the pupil, and the eye of the needle is my teacher" |
Posted By: McBain1975
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 1:18am
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Ask Mike Brown about how it feels to be hit by a weight while judging. I believe the ER documentation listed it as "hit by cannonball in the arm."
------------- N�l m� ag duine le daoine. |
Posted By: KTDupuis
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 2:30am
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Adam...thanks for posting this. Probably one of the more important posts ever. As an athlete it is your right (duty?) to ask people to move if you feel they are in harms way. I have not lost a weight during a throw in 7 years (after learning the hook grip)....but I still to this day make anyone off to my right move before I start throwing LWD or HWD. ------------- "I have a right to my opinion, and my opinion is that you have no right to your opinion" - G. Carlin |
Posted By: JWC III
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 2:58am
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Don't assume the cage will protect you. I got clocked with
a hammer that literally burned a hole thru a cage. It hit my ankle and I was out of commission for 6 weeks, had it hit me in the head, I might be dead. ------------- Thom Van Vleck |
Posted By: weaselking
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 3:25am
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Holy hell! It's our duty to speak & the volunteer's & spectator's duty to be smart enough to listen. And if they don't, don't be afraid to drag the whole game to a halt. Santa, your post disappoints. I was expecting a calculation of the various energies on impact based on distance from thrower, angle of release, & current weather conditions that was explained in a way to span a page & a half.  ------------- We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality. - Ayn Rand |
Posted By: brandell
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 3:46am
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Nah, shot to the head and you wouldn't have missed one event ------------- |
JWC III wrote:Posted By: Krazy40
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 4:06am
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After taking out a tent and bleachers with hammers , and since I have the grip of a 10 year old girl(line stolen from Valenti), I lose the HW on occasion, I never let anybody stand in that area
------------- Jeremy Gillingham "Go Big or Go Home" Sponsors: http://www.stoutbarbell.com/Home_Page.html http://www.backinact.com/newpatients.htm |
Posted By: McSanta
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 5:56am
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Direct and to the point is needed when it comes to safety (as you will agree) and a simple "bite me, Dennis" to the humorous part of the post. This video (and other similar ones) should be mandatory watching for every new and old judge as well ------------- Mark McVey "The work of science is to substitute facts for appearances and demonstrations for impressions." -John Ruskin |
Posted By: Krazy40
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 6:11am
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What sucks, is I bet that girl doesn't even know how close she to some serious pain and/or death.
------------- Jeremy Gillingham "Go Big or Go Home" Sponsors: http://www.stoutbarbell.com/Home_Page.html http://www.backinact.com/newpatients.htm |
Posted By: robhatch
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 6:41am
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So scary... if you slow-mo it misses her face by inches. 2 years ago we had a photgrapher get hit by 28#er... she kept taking pics of it comming at her until last sec ducked and it hit her in back. She was proud of the bruise and pics... needless to say we asked her to move. Thanks for the post ------------- Our prime purpose in this life is to help others. And if you can't help them, at least don't hurt them. |
Posted By: JWC III
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 6:44am
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Brandell...I meant the hammer would have been dead. ------------- Thom Van Vleck |
Posted By: 17/20
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 7:07am
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Always an issue in NewEngland, everyone's friends, etc. wanna hang out there. ------------- I MAY BE BIG , BUT I'M FAST |
Posted By: Andy Vincent
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 7:46am
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When I saw the title of this thread that throw was the
first thing I thought of. I had no idea how close it came to her until I saw the video, but judging from everyone's reaction at the time I knew it must have been close. Very scary indeed. I now make a point to be sure that area is clear before I throw. ------------- |
Posted By: chirolifter
Date Posted: 6/10/10 at 10:06am
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I always make sure that side is clear because it happened to me "ONCE"... ------------- "It's what you do when no one is watching that builds character." Gene Flynn |
Posted By: pound4pnd
Date Posted: 6/14/10 at 8:08pm
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That video was from Houston, Texas on the 15 May. I was throwing there in the Masters that day. We missed this throw but heard the weight clang against the bleachers. I had no idea at the time that there was a measurer standing there. It did not happen in the Masters flight. It is worth noting that at that games, the 16lb sheaf went twice into the crowd, the second time hitting a lady in the face and nearly knocking her out. These games were moved inside due to weather (in a rodeo-livestock pavilion) and among other problems, the hammers and weights really took off when they hit the hard dirt ground. Games held under these circumstances need to be completely re-thought-out in terms of the safety margins. I am sure that the first-time AD at these games learned a lot and was lucky enough to do so in avoiding a tragedy. But it is also the responsibility of all experienced throwers to "put in their two cents" on safety if they see something dangerous. You only get one chance to get it right.
------------- Tara Gan Iarracht! - Anthony Lordi |
Posted By: JReed
Date Posted: 6/14/10 at 11:12pm
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This hammer almost got a whole dugout full of people, including the thrower's pregnant wife who was operating the camera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wub_CwVAF9o - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wub_CwVAF9o |
Posted By: WALLY.OLECIK
Date Posted: 6/15/10 at 11:15am
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l had a guy release a 56D off to the side and it rolled into my folding chair and took out the chair's bottom rung. l also had a close encounter with a errant 28D. l was totalling up scores and it passed right between Ed Stevens and myself as he was looking over my shoulder. Now, that was SCARY!!!
------------- 16lb-hammer(at)sshga.org "Try not. Do or do not. There is no 'try!'" Yoda |
Posted By: Jonathan Barlow
Date Posted: 6/16/10 at 5:53am
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If they still don't move then pick them up and move them. ------------- DO NOT DOUBT IN THE DARKNESS WHAT YOU LEARNED IN THE LIGHT |
Posted By: DaleGehman
Date Posted: 6/16/10 at 2:38pm
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This is a serious problem, and one that some day may bite us all by limiting our ability to compete, or increase the cost of doing so, and that's all secondary to the trauma of a serious injury or death. In college, one of my team mates got hit in the head with a hammer at the end of a 145' throw. He lived, but barely. I held him waiting for help. Don't want to see that ever again. In 2009, KO shanked a hammer throw at Alma and miraculously missed several people. I was sure, from the other side of the field, someone had gotten killed. Same year, Mike Brown took a 56# to the side on a slip. I'm sure it would have broken bones and damaged organs on a lesser human. As throwers, and family and friends to the people around us, it's vital that we all help keep each other, the crowd, the shaggers, the markers, and every one safe. ------------- Partner in JDJ Caber Co. "Proudly serving the Scottish Heavy Athlete with fine cabers for sale. No orders too large or too small." |