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Originally posted by Juli Peterson Juli Peterson wrote:

Have I been disrespectful? I simply asked if it were possible and was told yes. If Kevin believes that I've disrespectful to him I expect to hear about it....
Got your back, Juli.  No way were you disrespectful.  You simply asked and Kevin agreed.  l would equate wanting to compete against a younger age group to be the same as a boxer wanting to box above his weight class.
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Originally posted by WALLY.OLECIK WALLY.OLECIK wrote:

Originally posted by Juli Peterson Juli Peterson wrote:

Have I been disrespectful? I simply asked if it were possible and was told yes. If Kevin believes that I've disrespectful to him I expect to hear about it....
Got your back, Juli.  No way were you disrespectful.  You simply asked and Kevin agreed.  l would equate wanting to compete against a younger age group to be the same as a boxer wanting to box above his weight class.

You can't know what that means to me Wally. It's been a low night and hearing that from you is gold. Thank you for taking the time to chime in. I won't forget it.

Aloha:)

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Originally posted by Sammy68123 Sammy68123 wrote:

[QUOTE=Juli Peterson] For the women who want a lighter HWD because you are now older. Were you throwing the 28# over 30' or so when you were younger and have now found that your age prevents you from doing this which makes a 21# more realistic? Or has it always been too heavy to throw? If it's been too heavy all along, respectfully speaking, in a Heavy Athletics sport...well, hmmmm. The only thing that still sits in my brain is, is this an age issue or a strength issue? [QUOTE]

Hi Julie,

I started HG in 2007 just before turning 50 and have thrown as B class with 28#. My best ever in 7 seasons with a 28# has been 24'. As a fitness trainer, I'm always about getting strong and stronger (I've competed in PL at national and international levels). I'm not really worried about rankings or similar. But at a games with open competition (no A/B split) where some superb younger women (half your age) who used to be top-level collegiate throwers leave you in last place in every event, sometimes you yearn to compete only with your age peers, even if they outthrow you by a whole bunch too.

So I guess to answer your question, it's a bit of both. I haven't shied away from the 28#, but I can be more selective about the games I attend. I have some chronic joint issues as well and I want to keep throwing as long as I can. If sticking to games where I can throw the 21# is one of the tickets, I'll do it. My time, travel funds, and other commitments in life let me set that priority.

I hope this has answered your question from at least one of your readers.

I'm not so savvy yet that I can only select the part of the quote I just put in bold. I know I'm probably on my way to that, just not there yet. Have meant this whole time to show respect to those wishing to throw lighter weight, I just would like to keep to the 28# as long as possible. Appreciate your time and response, makes sense to me. Look forward to sharing the field with you one one day soon.

Aloha:)

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Julie as I stated in my PM to you(this is Terri James on my husbands account) you're a class act! Keep up your fight and I hope to share the field with you in Inverness
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Originally posted by Juli Peterson Juli Peterson wrote:

Is that at me Glenn? Have I been disrespectful? I simply asked if it were possible and was told yes. If Kevin believes that I've disrespectful to him I expect to hear about it, because we're adults here. I don't know that anyone is doing what they please. Many women are throwing the weights they've requested to throw, certainly I'm no different. Unless I'm missing a key ingredient here. Could be, I've missed things before.

But if you're coming at me, well then, that's certainly a disappointment. 

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Screw that Juli! You are fine. You asked a legit question and I admire you for wanting to throw the heavier weight. You hit the nail on the Head ... Heavy Athletics!!!!! Everyone lately has their undies in a bundle.... I like your style...don't change! and never apologize!
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First off, I appreciate those who've described their view on throwing the 21'. What I get out of all this hullabaloo is that we each have reasons for wanting to throw what we wish to throw and also, that Kevin has an ucky job. 

Thanks again Terri and Jay, right on. Thanks for that!

Moving on...again.Wink

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There is really nothing wrong with Juli Peterson asking. Obviously, if Kevin was so busy with other problems, HE could easily say "no". But this is part of the great thing about the Highland Games: the rules are NOT all set in stone, the AD has the ability to be as flexible as he wishes. If you want stiff ridgidness, and no consideration for individual circumstances (because we are sympathetic, understanding people,  and are ALSO in it for the good times) you can go throw with the Track & Field.
 
Juli's plite is basically to accept a DISadvantage by throwing with a younger age group, in order to have an opportunity. All she did was ask, so leave over already. It is Kevin's choice of how to answer her, and by all rights could reconsider right up to the competition. If too many people start demanding too much, all Kevin has to do is give a big fat NO, and that's that. But he doesn't have to be stone-cold-hearted about a simple request. I'm sure Juli would still throw and enjoy herself if he said no.
 
You could equate it to a Lightweight opting to throw as an A for a bigger challenge, because he feels he is good enough, and throwing the heavier 56 is no deterent. At a game in Portland, the Masters Women's class were set to throw a 12# heavy and 9# light hammer that particular day (no more, though) and Karyn Dallimore opted to throw the typical 16 and 12 so her distances could count on Nasga. She happened to be good enough above the others in that event that she still pulled off the win despite the "disadvantage" of throwing heavier weights.  
 
The thing is, with the classes and weights still subject to change due to the newness, she has every right to ask, and he has every right to say yes or no as he and his committee see fit.
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Ladies, Ladies, .. Please -

I'm trying to move on .. but as background and maybe - in conclusion - I sent this to a friend this morning .. some cut/paste follows:

"I was the AD at the MWC2003 for the first Women's group and competition. I invited, registered, judged, scored, and awarded the first Masters World Champion for any Woman .. anywhere.

I decided to use the 2 stone weight for women at that contest and the Champion threw over 38' that day to establish the new World Record for women in the HWD. We awarded her with the first World Championship Ring and a new World Record for Women .. she was happy .. I was happy."

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Now, we're in a new situation and its not been nearly as happy .. at least not for me.

I've been vilified for what we did that day at the World Championships many years ago .. we established women's records at MWC2003 with the 2 stone weight. There was no argument from any of the women there, including the Champion. She was a pleasant competitor in every regard .. and an honorable Champion to the end. She earned my respect and nothing has diminished it.

I understand that many people don't know me and don't like me either and many, many don't care about my Scottish Masters Records or how we created them or how we keep them or how we share them or have any regard whatsoever for work our records took to get to the present moment. That is simply a disappointment to me that the story of our early days of MWC have no meaning to so many people currently ready to argue about the details established there.

But please understand that we didn't keep all these records for no purpose. It wasn't for my own personal, selfish interest to keep records for women using the 28lb weight. It was because we establish Scottish Masters Records .. fairly establish .. by Champions .. at Masters World Championships .. to be used at each of the the following MWC competitions as records which are to be subject to challenge .. over time and space .. as all records are designed to be used and honored.

And now, I've wasted more of my time and yours with this old story. Let's move on ..

I hope to hear no more about it but I fear the bluster will continue.

Please don't ask me to bend anymore rules. Let's agree to go with this design .. we really do have more issues to deal with .. these distractions are costing us valuable time and energy.

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Originally posted by K Rogers K Rogers wrote:

"I was the AD at the MWC2003 for the first Women's group and competition. I invited, registered, judged, scored, and awarded the first Masters World Champion for any Woman .. anywhere.

I decided to use the 2 stone weight for women at that contest and the Champion threw over 38' that day to establish the new World Record for women in the HWD. We awarded her with the first World Championship Ring and a new World Record for Women .. she was happy .. I was happy."

I've been vilified for what we did that day at the World Championships many years ago .. we established women's records at MWC2003 with the 2 stone weight. There was no argument from any of the women there, including the Champion.
l don't understand!  Why would you have been 'villified'?  The two stone weight had been the standard for MWo since about 1990! 
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Wally-

"Why would you have been vilified?"

I donno why, its been a disappointing period in my career in Highland Games .. did you miss the nastiness directed at me or did I imagine it?

Its possible that the nasty bullshit was expressed in another forum, not this one - but I don't think it was imagined.
 
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l did not have a computer in '03, nor was l at the MWC2003 so l missed any hub-bub about what you had the MWo throw.  Once again, 14 and 28 had been the standard since about 1990.  You don't think that you're being vilified now, do you?  l haven't read anyone putting you down!

As far as this thread, first of all, people are just giving you their input (even tho' you never asked for it.)  Secondly, l would just ignore all of the men's comments as this change has absolutely nothing to do with them!  Nothing!!
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Originally posted by WALLY.OLECIK WALLY.OLECIK wrote:

l did not have a computer in '03, nor was l at the MWC2003 so l missed any hub-bub about what you had the MWo throw.  Once again, 14 and 28 had been the standard since about 1990.  You don't think that you're being vilified now, do you?  l haven't read anyone putting you down!

As far as this thread, first of all, people are just giving you their input (even tho' you never asked for it.)  Secondly, l would just ignore all of the men's comments as this change has absolutely nothing to do with them!  Nothing!!


Yes it does.... we back the MWC... and they used the men as an example to press their case. Because we throw the 42.
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Wally-

No, there was no hub-bub then .. back in 2003. We threw 28/14 without complaint.

And the recent bitterness was kept from you and this forum .. but not from me.

And I don't ignore all the men's comments .. if fact, I probably consume too much time with all the comments because I have very high expectations of my fellow athletes.

It's often disappointing .. but I'll keep trying because my mom and dad like the highland games and they like me working on something with the Scottish Culture.

If not for my parents, I would have told a bunch of blow-hards to bite me .. I quit.

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Now that the dust has settled on the 2013 Inverness Highland Games (it went well Thumbs Up and thank you for asking) I have been working with Kevin behind the scenes on the design of MWC2014. 

He has done a remarkable job Clap in the past few weeks providing me with the information that I need to start tackling the logistical challenges of staging the biggest gathering of Heavies in history; and I am pleased to report that thanks to Kevin we have made good progress over here in Scotland.

Our MWC2014 programme is now designed and will be announced shortly. Why the delay? Well I am working my way Wacko through the numerous stakeholders, committees, politicians and agencies that I need to make it happen. We are also waiting to hear if the Camanachd Cup Final - Shinty's premier event will be happening at the same time - which does have a knock on effect in other areas. Hopefully BBC Scotland will make up their minds soon!

As you should by now be realising - MWC2014 is only part of what is going on over hereHug; being at the heart of the opening weekend of a festival called Highland Homecoming Hugwhich will run from September 12th to October 18th and will culminate in one of the most important events which will be staged in Scotland next year - The Royal National MOD here in Inverness. 

That's not all - I have the Inverness Highland Games in July 2014 to deliver before MWC2014 as well has two Highland Strongman events, two Kirking of the Council events, a three day Halloween show, a Civic Bonfire and Fireworks Display, a Christmas Lights Switch On, a Winter Wonderland and of course Scotland's biggest free Hogmany Concert "The Red Hot Highland Fling"parts of which will be live on BBC TV. With RockNess, the Commonwealth Games Baton Relay; a Northern Meeting Park 150 event, the Royal National MOD prep plus the 2015 World Orienteering Championships which will see 6000 competitors hit Inverness and 45 countries heading my way....!
(No doubt I have missed something but that gives you a wee bit of context which you will need for the next part!)

You can imagine how pleased (that is sarcasm and despair by the way) I was to receive a request from Kevin to extend the event by an extra day because he had received an avalanche of entries. 

You can also imagine what that request was going to do to my Censoredevent budget. At least those of you who are AD's can imagine it. Sadly there are still heavies who believe that Highland Games are organised and paid for by a team of pixies who arrive once a year in the middle of the night. (That's an AD joke - I know many heavies have never given that a moment's Censoredthought! LOL )

While I sat down to explain why it was a good idea to have an extra day Cry- a thankless taskCry which required me to rewrite a whole bunch of reports; I got an obnoxious email Angryfrom one Censoredperson who was furious because a) I had ruined Ermmhis holiday and b) his wife was disgusted that she was going to have to hang around a field for 3 days in Inverness while he threw. 

Naturally I avoided the temptation Smile (well done me) to tell him that his wife was his problem and that we were working on the MWC Loved Ones Programme and that the time to start complaining was after the event was over. 

I mean, unless you have been to the MWC and sat around chewing the fat with the wonderful people that you meet; you have not got a clue as to whether or not you are going to Beerenjoy it.Beer 

Every MWC is different, every city is different, nothing says the same. Hell we are all different. We all have opinions. We all have agendas. We all have good and bad days. Apart from Kevin. Up until recently anyway.

Shortly afterwards I had another bad day. I received a request to add an additional World Championship to the schedule and I agreed (as we like to be great hosts over here in Scotland) and I sat down to rewrite a whole load of reports and edit a few websites that needed updating.

Naturally I asked the question why and discovered that some of our Heavies wanted to throw a #21 weight instead of a #28 weight. 

Now it is a matter of record that my earlier posts on this subject - reducing the weight thrown by the 40-49 women to #21- went along the lines of I really don't think that asking them to throw an extra seven pounds is a big deal. Some folk thought that I was saying that they should watch Cinderella backwards in order to discover their place. I was not. I was saying that taking the decision to wipe out the good work done by the athletes who have competed before you in the MWC was something I did not support. 

Now I have read all the arguments regarding the #28 records that "they will always be there"; but we all know that out of sight equals out of mind.  Not one of you sent me a good luck message before the 2013 Inverness Highland Games. (It went well Thumbs Up and thank you for asking) 

Hicham El Guerrouj and Svetlana Masterkova are names that you should all be familiar with. In earlier times they would have been known by each and every one of you. 

They are the current male and female holders of the world record for running the mile. They are the athletes who followed Sir Roger Bannister - the first man to run the mile in under 4 minutes. 

As the author of the MWC2014 programme that I hope you will all buy when you get here; I can think of no reason to list the Women's #28 records if those events are not being contested. As I said out of sight out of mind.

Which is one of the reasons why I was happy to support the decision to ask the 40-44 class to once a year throw a #28 and expected that to be the end of the matter. 

Now that the grumbling has started again... I think it is time for me to go to work.

Just so that there is no confusion - at this point as AD of MWC2014 I would like to remind folk that registering for MWC2014 is actually just the submission of a request. 

Each and every competitor is saying to Kevin Rogers and SMAI that they would like to receive an invitation from myself of behalf of the Inverness Highland Games Committee to compete at our event next year. 

Previously this has been a straightforward process. 

You applied - you got invited.

This year things are slightly different. 

More folks applied that we can accommodate and yes! if SMAI had the ability to see into the future(*) I am sure they would have only accepted applications from Highland Games with the capacity to accommodate an unlimited number of Heavies. 

* Just for the record the person who suggested that in a post is now the proud owner of one of the most unhelpfully pathetic comments ever posted on NASGA by someone attempting to look smart by using hindsight. Congratulations - I could not think any the less of you.

Anyway going back to invites - 

1. If anyone has a real problem throwing the #28 weight and as a result wishes to withdraw from the competition please let me know and I will arrange for you to receive a refund and not receive an invitation to participate in our event. It is entirely your choice. There is a queue of people who will be happy to replace you.

2. Participation in MWC2014 is entirely at the discretion of the applicant. The events that we are offering are now confirmed and none negotiable. You will be advised of the weights, dimensions of boxes, the dimensions of the landing zones, the rules re foul throws in due course. If anyone has a real problem with the rules of this event and as a result wishes to withdraw from the competition please let me know and I will arrange for you to receive a refund and not receive an invitation to participate in our event. It is entirely your choice. There is a queue of people who will be happy to replace you.

3. Since the MWC was staged in Inverness in 2006 and 2009, the misuse of forums and social media has as we all know has become increasingly more common. I expect those Heavies wishing to receive an invitation to participate at MWC2014 to "play nice" in the months ahead. With freedom of speech comes a responsibility to use that freedom appropriately. However if anyone has a problem with "playing nice" with the other children in the internet playground and as a result wishes to withdraw from the competition please let me know and I will arrange for you to receive a refund and not receive an invitation to participate in our event. It is entirely your choice. There is a queue of people who will be happy to replace you.

4. Seeing as how we are now all friends again - I would now ask you to Clap Kevin Rogers and give him your full support. As I said right at the start of this post - He has done a remarkable job in the past few weeks! Any man able to persuade me to organise an extra day with you lot deserves a medal! 

Gerry Reynolds 
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As for the games thank you to you and Kevin for all your work. Run it the way you want/need to and people can either attend or not.Clap
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Juli, I was sorry you weren't able to come to my and Bret's house for the Clawbeque as well. Maybe next year!
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in reply to Africanus, above: Bill Butler of fond memory nearly killed me at Masters #1 in Arkansas by lofting the 22lb hammer over the cage and out backward into the settees on the green; i had just decided to tie my shoe, bent forward and Butler's throw landed in the middle of my back. Being the stalwart I was back then, i was only unconscious for half an hour, after which butler beat me in the light hammer, as was his plan all along.

If a vote is being taken, i say no more pansy weights for masters; the whole damn idea is to keep it going til you've had enough enjoyment, or when snapping synapses cry FOUL! and you know its time to let go..

As for Rogers' decision, the problem with putting someone in charge is that they just might take charge, in which case let us support the man and move on, agree or not.

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Wasn't it Bill Butler who threw the 28 into the river at MWC01?? Me and another guy in our class held him by his ankles over the steep bank so he could yank it out of the mud.....
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wayne, great memory thanks; i flashed a picture of that, and started laughing immediately. hope you are well after all this time.

Masters Comp has come a long way since then, Kevin Rogers has been irreplaceable in that regard and i support his leadership.

who else wants to step up and drive all this? the line starts over there...otherwise give your opinion and get out of the way
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