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K Rogers ![]() Postaholic ![]() Joined: 7/27/10 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1256 |
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http://www.scottishmasters.org/index.html "We are pleased to announce that it has been decided that a New World Championship will be contested in Inverness splitting the traditional Women 40-49 age group into W40-44 (who will throw the 28lb) and the W45-49 (who will throw the 21lb). Thereby preserving the Scottish Masters Records for women's throws with the 28lb (2 Stone) weight for distance and height events while also accommodating the recent athlete inquires for the women's weights. Simply, we'll now start the use of the lighter weight at 45 years of age for the women. To do this we must now split the MWC2014 Early Registration List of W40-49 into 2 groups and we'll ask all the listed athletes to contact me at kevin.rogers@scottishmasters.org regarding the change in age groups and with questions about the weights designed for use." -K |
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bigirish01 ![]() Postaholic ![]() ![]() Joined: 6/07/10 Status: Offline Points: 1204 |
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So then Men 45 + will throw the 35# Now ?
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Flame of Idaho ![]() Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: 8/14/12 Location: Pocatello, ID Status: Offline Points: 132 |
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That sounds like a fair enough compromise given the arguments of the other thread. By creating a new class, you would have new records to keep anyway allowing the 21# change, while still preserving the integrity 28# 40+ records you were concerned about. Good move, and I give you the utmost respect for spearheading such a monstrously huge event.
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bigirish01 ![]() Postaholic ![]() ![]() Joined: 6/07/10 Status: Offline Points: 1204 |
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I personally think its a mistake to change the weight.... Thats my opinion.
I reflect on 63 year old Ken Beck, when givin the option to throw the 96 pound Portland stone, or the lighter one.... He took a vote of all the 60+ men... they all voted and threw the 96# ...same weight that the Pro's and all other Amateur Men threw!
You win the battle.... lower weight....
You lose the War.... Credibility..... |
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Jay "Big Daddy" O'Neill
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K Rogers ![]() Postaholic ![]() Joined: 7/27/10 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1256 |
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Jay-
Show a little faith .. we'll compromise at 45years .. and hopefully move on.
There's bigger fish to fry. -K
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Juli Peterson ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 9/12/12 Location: Cheeseville Status: Offline Points: 637 |
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I'll be 47 at the time of this event. Respectfully, may I opt to throw with the younger group and earn a shot at that record?
juli peterson
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You have to stop doing that Juli, if it worked we'd all be doing it.
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K Rogers ![]() Postaholic ![]() Joined: 7/27/10 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1256 |
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Juli-
Aaaaahhh, ... mmm ... aaahhh ... yes. Not sure why not.
See .. this is how the whole can of worms felt.
-K
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Juli Peterson ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 9/12/12 Location: Cheeseville Status: Offline Points: 637 |
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I feel for ya! I know this decision has made a lot of women happy and I'm happy for them and for you on getting this off your desk on onto bigger things.
I'm also happy that I can go ahead and throw the big dog around. Win/win. I appreciate it, very much. Thank you. Look forward to hopefully meeting you at Jason's Throwing for The Cure event in a few weeks. Thank you again! jp
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You have to stop doing that Juli, if it worked we'd all be doing it.
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The Queen ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 8/31/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 538 |
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Key word there Jay, he took a vote of all of those involved. Kudos to the SMAI for listening to the Lady Masters and making a compromise. ![]() I consider it a step in the right direction!
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Borges ![]() Postaholic ![]() ![]() The Conrad Dobler of the Highland Games Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Jamaica Status: Offline Points: 2188 |
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Besides, I still maintain that the proper way to run masters classes (for both men and women) is to use the same weights but simply drop events. I despise the 42#. If you don't want to throw the HWFD then just drop the event, don't change it. I still remember Bill Butler (may he rest in peace) trying to interest the masters men in a 19# heavy hammer. Thank God that idea never caught on. Just because we made one stupid mistake (the 42#) doesn't mean we should repeat the folly.
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The Queen ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 8/31/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 538 |
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Juli - you have a shot at that record any time you throw the 28lb. in competition. It does not have to be thrown at the MWC in order to count as a Masters Record.
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Juli Peterson ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: 9/12/12 Location: Cheeseville Status: Offline Points: 637 |
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Good to know! Thank you ![]() jp
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You have to stop doing that Juli, if it worked we'd all be doing it.
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bigirish01 ![]() Postaholic ![]() ![]() Joined: 6/07/10 Status: Offline Points: 1204 |
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My point is that when it came down to it... They wanted to be respected amongst their athlete peers.... |
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Jay "Big Daddy" O'Neill
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C. Smith ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 6661443 |
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Kevin is far too nice, and I told him that.
I would have never made this change and told everyone to FFFFF off. Good thing I'm not in charge, I guess. |
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Shawn Baker ![]() Postaholic ![]() Joined: 6/25/08 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2641 |
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"somewhat" heavy athletics
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K Rogers ![]() Postaholic ![]() Joined: 7/27/10 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1256 |
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Craig- It may turn out that I'm the wrong man for the job .. but its too late for me to turn back now.
I've got to finish this one .. but I will start looking for a replacement in earnest now. I've retired from better paying gigs.
-K
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C. Smith ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 6661443 |
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Better you than I my friend, believe that.
I'm sure the women throwing the 1.5 stone weight (sigh) will shower you with love a result. So you've got that going for you... Which is nice. |
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rogerws76 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 1/31/12 Location: Newcastle, CA Status: Offline Points: 234 |
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Kevin,
Great leaders will ALWAYS make decisions that not everyone will agree with. No one could do what you have done in the last several years without great leadership abilities. You will have many more of these decisions to make. When you look at the success of the MWC, NO ONE can doubt your ability. Thank you for your service and march on. Look at the growth of these games and be very proud of your work! |
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Roger
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candysprinkles ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 6/03/13 Location: Orting WA Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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Yep the men all VOTED to throw the heavier Portland stone. The majority won. The Master women informally voted last year, with the majority wanting to go with the change to 21# (per Karyn's poll - thanks Karyn!) Jay, as a 49 year old Master (for 2013), you'd like to go back to throwing the 56 then? Take a vote of your class - I'd be interested in what the results would be. |
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candysprinkles ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 6/03/13 Location: Orting WA Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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Kevin, thank for and the SMAI and MWC committees for considering and making this change. I, and many other Master Women competitors appreciate it. See you at MWC 2014! |
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bigirish01 ![]() Postaholic ![]() ![]() Joined: 6/07/10 Status: Offline Points: 1204 |
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QUOTE CANDY SPRINKLES AKA Stephanie
"Yep the men all VOTED to throw the heavier Portland stone. The majority won. The Master women informally voted last year, with the majority wanting to go with the change to 21# (per Karyn's poll - thanks Karyn!)
Jay, as a 49 year old Master (for 2013), you'd like to go back to throwing the 56 then? Take a vote of your class - I'd be interested in what the results would be. " yes they voted to use the proper stone when given a choice because they wanted to throw the same weight as their peers.... Thats the point.... if they had followed the Lead of the women... they would have voted to use a smaller stone because its easier.
I'm a poor example for you to use Steph... I have had the option of throwing Master (42)8 years ago and threw as a B and A until last year. I threw 56 last Saturday at Enumclaw. Im not gonna lobby to throw lower a weight beacuse I dont wanna throw it.... Its called the Heavy Events for a reason.
Whats next? Smaller lighter cabers so everyone can turn them? When I competed in Strongman you lifted what they had and Highland games should be no differant.
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Jay "Big Daddy" O'Neill
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candysprinkles ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 6/03/13 Location: Orting WA Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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Jay, my question was how your entire Master Men 40-49 class would vote if given the option of throwing the 56 v 42. I know you personally throw the 56 still. And there is no need to AKA me - my full name is in my profile.
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candysprinkles ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 6/03/13 Location: Orting WA Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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So if the standard in the Highland Games is "lift what they have", why the change to 42 for Master Men 40+? Why a 14# weight for women as LWD at all? Why a 12# LH for women? Changes were made along the way at some time. We are at the time for another change now. If an athlete prefers to throw the "traditional" weights even though Masters age they can throw in an Open (or A or B) class like Jay and other Masters age athletes have.
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bigirish01 ![]() Postaholic ![]() ![]() Joined: 6/07/10 Status: Offline Points: 1204 |
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No your question was..."Jay, as a 49 year old Master (for 2013), you'd like to go back to throwing the 56 then?" My answer is I throw what's placed in front of me... and if I went to Scotland and they said The weight will be 56 I will throw the 56 without question or argument. As for taking a poll of my fellow competitors... Im not sure what they would say. But I do know this... I would never assume that everyone I throw with would opt to throw the lesser weight. |
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bigirish01 ![]() Postaholic ![]() ![]() Joined: 6/07/10 Status: Offline Points: 1204 |
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Our sport is a strength sport... so you adapt to the sport, you shouldn't expect the sport to make concessions for your weakness
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Jay "Big Daddy" O'Neill
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candysprinkles ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: 6/03/13 Location: Orting WA Status: Offline Points: 22 |
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My point is, at some time there were concessions made in the HG. Masters Men throwing the 42 instead of 56. Women using 14 for their LWD (1/2 stone weight.) Women using a 12# hammer for LH. Women throwing at all! LW Mens classes. And even age classes (Masters.) At one time, all of these changes were concessions. Concessions that were presumably made for, as you put it, some athletes' "weakness." Many strength sports have made changes to their rules and traditions over the years. This change is no different from any other change to HG "traditions" that were made in the past, except that it is happening now. Did we cross some "no more changes can be made ever" bar in 2012 that I was not aware of? Maybe the Mayan calendar ending signified that time should stand still. |
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17/20 ![]() Postaholic ![]() Joined: 10/06/06 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1470 |
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There was a move at Captial District, Altamont, NY some years ago to go with the 35 hwfd for the older masters. Not sure think it was denied. Anyone recall? So be advised this ain't over yet. Just a heads up Kevin, take the phone off the. Gonna be hard to say no to the 35 at this point after this decision.
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I MAY BE BIG , BUT I'M FAST
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bigirish01 ![]() Postaholic ![]() ![]() Joined: 6/07/10 Status: Offline Points: 1204 |
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Keep posting...... you're making my argument stronger
14# is 1 stone...not 1/2 yes there are classes.... why they are here I don't know. But there is only 1 class asking for a lower weight. |
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Jeff Ingram ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 793 |
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I dunno. When I compete (less and less often) I just throw what they put in front of me. If it's the 42, great it's a fun weight to throw. it's not like it's the 14lb weight for height.
if it's the 56 great, it's always been my favorite event along with the caber. If I sign up for a Games I throw what they've got. 16-90+lb stones, 80-160lb cabers... it's a pretty mixed bag. I like that. But that's just me. As an AD, in the future when I'm confronted with issues like this, I believe my motto will be WWMVD and I will consult Youtube for advice. |
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