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Jeff Ingram 
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So you are going lightweight then?
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Posted: 1/30/13 at 12:53pm |
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But really, look at the best women throwers, and you'll see they are
almost always in the 165lbs-190lbs range, just like the guys are almost
always in the 275-300lbs range.
Shannon, Adriane, Mindy, Kate, etc.... |
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Posted: 1/30/13 at 1:15pm |
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Ouch.
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Posted: 1/30/13 at 1:21pm |
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Exactly. Especially with the women's weights. Reasonable strength levels with good explosiveness, speed, and obviously throwing technique. Look at Mindy Pockoski - hardly a big woman. Within reason (and with the possible exception of the Men's HWFD to some extent), I think fatter people throw far in spite of the extra weight, not because of it. But what do I know?
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Posted: 1/30/13 at 6:10pm |
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Whew, doing one thing right!
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wsciscoe
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Posted: 1/31/13 at 9:30am |
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ok the question wasn't weather she needs to lose fat or not but sence we are on that. Her body fat percent is about 23 that makes about 195 lean muscle. at what percent should she be? I think we have a plan on how to lose some fat and stay strong thanks to all of your help. she is changing ber diet a little and we are going to still be working with almost max effort and low reps most days but we are going to have a day of higher reps and some tread mill and box jumps. We will also be adding a throwing day each week then up it to 2 to 3 throwing days a week in about 4 weeks.
thanks again for all your help
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jsully
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Posted: 1/31/13 at 10:03am |
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23% bf for a female is pretty good. How did you figure that bf%? Calipers? DEXA scan?
Women carry approx 8% more bodyfat than men, so that would be comparable to a man at 15% bf...
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wsciscoe
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Posted: 1/31/13 at 10:13am |
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Posted: 1/31/13 at 11:26am |
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I appreciate the bikini pics. Well most of them LOL The problem is she isn't built like any of those women She is more like the 25 or 30 percent man only her shoulders are bigger than theirs I think and her boobs are a little bigger |
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Posted: 1/31/13 at 11:30am |
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195lbs of lean muscle, huh?
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No science exists to tell us what %BF anyone should be. If you used calipers to assess, what sites did you measure and what equation was used? The only way to KNOW your %BF is by autopsy and by then, you and she won't care. I once had 4 different %BF techniques performed on me in the space of 30 minutes (no autopsy) and the numbers ranged from 25% to 35%. Also, 195 is NOT lean muscle--just non-fat tissue (bones, muscle, hair, skin, blood, etc) aka "fat-free mass".
Asking what %BF you should be is a lot like asking how tall you should be.
Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
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Thanks Sammy
I posted her percent so people wouldnt assume she is just fat and they wouldnt assume that she needs to lose 50 pounds right off the bat and that she wouldnt lose muscle till she does. I understand that fat percent measurements arent very accurate. for her and I the most important thing is how we feel and how far we can throw. We know that she would throw better a little lighter and more athletic but to say that she needs to lose 50 pounds without knowing her body type is wrong. the places I measured were the back of her upper arm, her side just above her hip and the front of her thigh.
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Outstanding!
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Clearly then she should add 25lbs and throw with the elite men.
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I think that's her plan Jeff. she has to beat all the women first then she's going to move to the men. I think she's going to start in Canada. Lol
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Been following this thread...good stuff happening here. A few things.
1. 195 lbs of lean muscle mass is more than I have per my last test. Remember the % of Fat Free Mass, or whatever they're calling it these days, includes water/bone/organs and doesn't just mean muscle. 2. Speaking anecdotally, I lost weight (BF% went down) and I improved my distances. Granted, I'm not going to be splashed across the hood of Whitesnake's car anytime soon, but this Game is about distances...and I got those. 3. Caliper readings from more than three places... Dude, mad props to you and her for doing this. Takes a lot of stones to put all that out there. Now get it done! |
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Jeff Ingram
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Posted: 1/31/13 at 9:12pm |
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You'd both be more than welcome. I run Games in Manitoba, look us up. I am not trying to be mean my friend, but you asked for advice, got some from some of the best throwers including a Women's MWC 2nd place finisher, all of which you have set aside because people offering it "don't know her body type"? If throwing is genuinely your priority, you might want to put more stock in advice offered by people who are good at throwing. That's just my perspective. |
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Thanks for the invite jeff.
I really do appreciate all the advice everyone has given. I think we have a solid plan based on that advice that we are startng now. I will keep you all up to date on how she does over the next few weeks. We are going to compete mainly in the midwest IN OH IL this season. I think we have about 6 games planned and 1 in Toms River NJ. Our first this year are the shamrock games in IL in March. I can hardly wait. We are also wanting to go watch the Arnold games.
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20% body fat at body weight of around 185 would be suggestion for a target..
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Update on the wife:
She had a allergy panel done on Monday cause she went into anaphylactic shock a few months ago after eating Chinese buffet. (had to wait a few months to save the 700 for the test) Come to find out she is pretty allergic to molluscs (oysters, muscles, clams) Apparently the Chinese dumplings have this in it. She also has a moderate allergic reaction to corn, and chocolate. and a mild reaction to potatoes, tomatoes, and peanuts. The allergist said that the corn allergy could be the cause of her holding fat on her belly hmmmmm. anyway, she changed her diet around to get less carbs and fat and she is eating a lot of lean protein (good thing she loves chicken) and protein shakes. Now she has to cut corn. Ever try to cut corn out of your diet while living in the US? Everything has corn in it! Training is still the Texas cycle for 2 more weeks. Then going to the Matt Vincent speed power program. BTW she is not happy about lifting less weight at more sets and reps. Monday speed/power Tuesday speed/power Wednesday speed/power Thursday rest Friday throw Saturday throw Sunday rest I am going to let her max deadlift once a week (to appease her desire to lift big) and it will be a way of knowing weather she is losing strength or not. |
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Duncan McCallum
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As a newer thrower, she might be better served by throwing more. If her strength levels are where you say they are (and I'm sure they are) she is probably not going to be out-lifted by many Ladies.
But this sport is about distance, height, and accuracy...not weight totals. One of the best pieces of advice I ever received about throwing is "You need to throw more, Duncan." - RStewart. And he was right. All the weightlifting in the world will only get you so far in the face of technically superior competition. Lifter who throws? Or thrower who lifts?
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this can't be emphasized enough. I didn't start making incredible progress until I started throwing 4-5 days per week and sometimes throwing twice a day.
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Ok 6 weeks later and here we are 1 week before competition begins. Are we where we want to be? No not really but we are doing okay.
I told her what Duncan said,"lifter who throws? or thrower who lifts?" and she ran with it. She has thrown more since then than ever before. Has she lost weight? Yes some. Has she lost strength? No way. She has struggled a little with throws and it has been very frustrating for her. Mainly her WFD. My theory on why: She only threw for a total of about 3 months last year and didn't throw again till February of this year. I think technique wasn't ingrained enough to take that much time off and she had to relearn some stuff. But with very hard work and a ton of drills she has finally set some PR's this year in practice. |
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Good work!!!
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