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    Posted: 2/23/08 at 10:27am

any comments... would be very helpful (did get a PR) but always looking for more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sXcbGZIFm8

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Until the real sheaf tossers comment, here are a few observations:
  • Your left arm is bent through the whole motion.
  • Your pull appears continuous, rather than explosive.
  • Your release is rather high.
When I watched that, I was thinking you could throw quite a bit higher.

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Originally posted by Wayne Hill Wayne Hill wrote:

Until the real sheaf tossers comment, here are a few observations:
  • Your left arm is bent through the whole motion.
  • Your pull appears continuous, rather than explosive.
  • Your release is rather high.

When I watched that, I was thinking you could throw quite a bit higher.

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I would say stop swinging back and forth so much. Its a lot of waisted side to side motion. Really make your arms long and go slow to fast and explode
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what I see is that you're only getting aggressive on the pull once the sheaf is
passing your knees on the way to the release. I recommend first swinging
much further back so that your left bicep is close to your mouth at full back
extension, and then really get aggressive - pull down with your left hand and
push down with the right - and keep ripping as violently as you can all the
way up into the pull. If you watch Harrison Bailey toss the sheaf you'll be
amazed at how far back he pulls.
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I hit 33' with the 16 last year standing  (had to mention that as shameless self promotion....because otherwise I mention that to anyone else and they look at me with a "so what" look).

I agree on "all of the above".  I know mine really took off when I got aggressive in driving the weight and keeping my arms locked, and I kind of feel like I'm "sweeping" the bag in as big an arc as possible.  Then, as it hits my right foot I spring out of the hole, going up on my toes and driving my hips out getting full extension like I do on my cleans.  So, to me it's a two stage process.  I've heard this called "checkmarking", but basically, to me, it's like this:

Stage one:  While staying in a crouched position, I swing the bag back with straight arms and drive it down with upper body. 

Stage two:  As I hit the right foot, I begin the second stage, I begin to come up out of my crouch, extending my legs, popping the hips, and coming up on the toes at the end. 

.....and then there is the spin

 

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Thom, when you say "hit the right foot", do you mean to drive the fork tines deep into the right foot?  I suspect it wouldn't be the first time...
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The way I have learned to be consistent -and it has helped a few other guys I have shared this with - is by maintaining a "dead arm" on the fork.

This means that the arm and hand that are on the fork should be limp, long and loose as you start pushing the fork down from the top of the backswing with your back hand.  The arm on the fork is completely dead until you hit the bottom, and then it instantly engages at 100%, timed with driving the fork-side foot through the ground, triple extending the ankle, knee and hip, and snapping the hand/arm through as fast as possible.

My mental cue is "knee/hand".  I'm a lefty, and I hold the fork in my right hand and the handle in the left.  I'm thinking big, relaxed, high backswing.  Start downward, then really drop on it while pushing hard with the left arm while the right is dead.  As soon as I feel the right hand near the right knee  - while the bag is hopefully over the left foot - it is an instant engage with the right arm and knee engaging as fast and hard as possible into full extension.

Works for me, especially on consistency of release...if I have the right arm tight on the downswing, the release scatters everywhere.
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Mike, thanks for explaining this as you have done.  I have not had much practice but more hands on training during games.  
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Great suggestion... will try to implement then in upcoming practices...

 

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Your warmup swings are a pendulum on your last back swing get your left shoulder to contact your chin,  you might even get a little hop in, when driving down your pendulum now becomes a "V" instead of a "U" shape this allows the back to kick very sharply trying to get ahead of the fork. Constant pressure with both hands on the fork left side pulling down, right hand pushing down, this is how I was instructed to do it, and it has worked so far. Oh and dont look to see if you've cleared it that has a tendency to make you pull back instead of up. The crowd will tell you if you missed it or made it plus you have the video.


Your doing well just tweak a few things, and PR's will come.


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Hang over the bag more like you are doing a hang snatch.  Feel your trap stretch as the bag reaches the bottom and then explode while keeping your head down.  You should not look to see if you clear until your are up to at least 30 feet or more.

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+1 for the rookie
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Make your core stronger and do it harder.  I don't know about any V or camp pendleton, or U or left or right leg.  Then think bad thoughts and get that bag. 
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