BRAEMAR STONE

The "Braemar Stone" uses a 20–26 lb stone for men.

Is this a correct statement?

I have looked it up and found some sites saying 21 to 26?

Where does NASGA Rules state 22 pounds?

All I can find is this http://www.nasgaweb.com/rules.asp

Braemar Stone

agm_ wrote: For rankings, throw a 22. But if you want to be true to the spirit of the event, you'll need a bigger rock. The real Braemar stone - i.e., the one they throw at Braemar - is 28 pounds.

Yes indeed. Furthermore, the rules at Braemar are far more restrictive.

Silverback wrote: I thought they were all braemar.

sandbagger....you are practicing with Vierra..... no more of this "I am not a technician crap" Myles.  We know you have something up your sleeve.

IIRC the rules at Braemar require a true standing throw. In particular, both feet must remain on the ground for the entire throw (no reverse is allowed). Furthermore, I believe the heels must stay in contact with the ground as well. Ali?

Roy Bogue wrote: Craig,  what do these things mean?   ^^^

It's just pointing to post directly above.  kinda like, "look up" 

Yea, i know.  Alt 30 would work well too.

In researching the heavy events, I have found the following:

Encyclopedia of Sport – Page 512, by Frederick George Aflalo, Hedley Peek – Sport - 1897

“…..Unfortunately, in Scotland there are three different styles of “putting” practiced – the Ordinary, the Braemar, and the Border style. So that when we come to test good individual performances, and endeavor to place them in order of merit, we are confronted with this difficulty that they were not, and are not, undertaken under the same conditions…..”

Mr. Aflaio, then references the following book, as the source of his information:

“The Athletes and Athletic Sports of Scotland, by W, McCombie Smith, Esq. (F.S.A., Scotland), published by A. Gardner, 26 Paternoster Square, London”.

Aflaio, then proceeds to describe the poplar and prominent Ordinary Style (aka Open Stile) of putting of the Caledonian Games:

“…..The Ordinary, consist of a 7ft 6in Approach, with out follow, the weight of the missal being set at 16lbs. and 22lbs. a run, hop or glide being used….”

He then leaves us to consult the above periodical for descriptions of the other two putting stiles. I have not been successful in locating a copy of Mr. W. McCombie’s book to date.

In contesting the light stone putt (first set at 14lb then at 16lb) and the heavy stone putt (set at 22lbs) were standardized by the United Caledonians of North America, to match the weight of the iron ball or shot as used by the Amateur Athletics Association of England, and the Amateur Athletic Union, in America (mid 1880s).  Both events were contested at most Caledonian games, using the Open approach until around the 1970’s; when the heavy stone started being contested in the Braemar stile, at Highland heavy events competition in America. Resulting (as things evolve) in the weight of the Braemar Stone of 22lbs; considered by many as the universally accepted standard at most Scottish Heavy events competition at this time.

Shoulder Stones or Stones (or Weights) from the Shoulder:

Shoulder Stones or Weights, weigh, 14lbs, 28lbs, 42lbs and 56lbs, contested from the mark, with one hand, with or with out approach, with or with out follow. With the Irish Wail’s using the Irish, Gaelic Athletic Association (GAA) and the Amateur Athletic Union rules, in America. Contesting the shoulder Stones or weights, from the mark, with out approach, with follow through allowed, using stones or weights as above, with the 42lbs and 28lbs, showing as the most poplar events, (most frequently contested) with the 56lbs close be hind. The GAA and AAU rules, state that when contesting the events, with out approach, with or with out follow allowed, that one foot must remain on the ground at all times, until the weight has left the hand, aka upon release. This would make the reverse illegal.

The Braemar Stile or the Stone as Thrown at Braemar:

 At the Braemar Gathering, the style used, is a Standing Stone Put, using one hand, from the mark, with out approach, or follow, the Stone used weighs 28lbs. When I spoke with Brian Oldfield about the Braemar Stone, he told me that his record was made from a standing putt, with out any movement of the feet allowed, as he was fouled for moving his feet at the Braemar Gathering back in the 1970s. Do under stand as all thing progress and change do to what is perceived as a standard versus what the true standard is. The preserved becomes the stranded if not maintained or explained. I have asked and have not received a copy of the Braemar Gathering rules or any SGA rules from Scotland.

I.e., at the Inverness Gathering (and at other games in Scotland) the hammer is thrown from a 7ft cercal, with terns allowed, some of the best Olympic hammer throwers in the World have thrown the hammer at this venue. I do not believe any one has thrown the hammer using terns in quite a wile, if any one can remember, I do believe that the games hammer record was made from the stand, though the rules clearly state that terns are allowed.

I have not found any information on the Border style of putting, to date,

I will continue my quest, any help or information would be appreciated,

Sgt Richard A Jackson