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Coach Mac
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Posted: 1/04/06 at 2:24pm |
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Good stuff...approach this with an OPEN mind and this will
make sense ! " Having never done box squats or elastic ball squats I have to play devil's advocate and ask how does landing on an elastic ball promote one's ability to reverse directions with a large weight?" GREAT QUESTION KURT...O.K. RECENT EMG STUDIES DONE ON THE HAMSTRINGS. DURING THE SQUAT..TELL US THAT YOU HAVE TO BREAK 90-DGREE'S BYE 2-INCHES OR SO TO ACTIVATE THEM....NO PROBLEM WITH CONVENTIONAL SQUATTING...WE WANT TO ACTIVATE THIS MUSCLE EVEN "MORE" AND THIS POSTURE ALLOWS FOR THAT AND REALLY ACTIVATES THE GLUTES AS WELL. THE TECHNIQUE USED...WE USE A TON OF VARIETIES HOWEVER THE BASIC ONE IS TOO SQUAT AND WHEN YOU FEEL THE BALL ESSENTAILLY " FREE-FALL" AND THIS IS ALLOWS THE HIP-FLEXORS AND HAMMIES TO BECOME THE THE PRIME MOVERS ON THE UP OR CONCENTRIC MOVEMENT...THE RATE OF GRAVITY IS 9.8 METERS PER- SECOND ...THUS "ACTIVIATING" THE HIP-FLEXORS ARE WHAT WE ARE AFTER AND USING THIS TYPE OF EXERCISE...! MODIFIED HOOK SQUATS...WE CAN INCREASE THIS "RATE" OF FALLING A COUPLE OF WAYS...WT-HOOK RELEASERS (MADE A SET OF THESE IN THE MID-70'S...THEY ARE STILL IN SERVICE) AND ADDING BAND TENSION AS WELL...I HAD ALMOST A YELLING MATCH WITH MR. SIMMONS OVER CONVENTIONAL BOX SQUATS A FEW YEARS BACK AND I SEE THAT THEY ARE ADVOCATING USING A HASSOCK INSTEAD OF JUST USING A WOODEN BENCH WHICH CREATES HUGE SHEAR FORCES ON THE SPINE...THE BALL UNLOADS THE SPINE AND PUTS THE LOAD WHERE YOU WANT IT...! Tim...good questions: " The harder you come down on the ball the faster and higher you'll bounce back up but how is that working you any harder " ? "...you actually answered your own question...if you hold a basketball at you waist and drop it..it falls at the rate of gravity- 9.8 mps...if your throw the ball down you increase the R.O.G.....we have measured these negative loads with a Tendo unit and since you have an INCREASED load you have to OVERCOME that...therefore increasing the rate of reversibility...! Tim...As a side note, I don't think anyone is handling 1,000 lbs in the manner you're speaking of...? These are all predicted max's...if you can front squat 300- lbs...this should enable a 400-lb back squat which in turn allows for a SAFETY SQUAT of 552 lbs....again these are all PREDICTED...so you can see how this tpe of squatting can go UP real quickly !!! We go through about 6-8 phases or blocks of training and this is the ECCENTRIC phase...I may put some of the pics up on ACCELERATED Eccentrics...some really COOL stuff ...GREAT discussion !!! |
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Wayne Hill
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Posted: 1/04/06 at 2:36pm |
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OK, Coach, I don't think this is quite what you said, but tell me if I
might just be guessing this right anyway: on the eccentric
motion, when you feel the ball you drop, thus relaxing the posterior
chain. When you hit bottom, you accelerate upwards, getting a big
stretch-shorten cycle response.
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Posted: 1/04/06 at 3:30pm |
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I still don't think I'm getting it, sorry. Why use the ball then. I can see your argument for the ball vs. the box but if you want to get to 2 inches below parellel why can't you get there with out the ball. To me it just kind of seems like cheating when you get to bounce off the ball. I would seem that using bands or weight releasers would get you the same effect as using an a weight you can't handle and a bounce off the ball. You would be increasing the force on the way down and the way up with out increasing it in the hole as well as accelerating the eccentric. |
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Posted: 1/05/06 at 4:21am |
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Wayne...I NEED a ghost writer...what you said "succintly" is
correct ! Tim...you need to UNFLEX the hip flexors to activate the hammies...if you RELAXED these in a convnetiaonal squat you would probably need a spotter (grin) to scoop you off the pavement ! TO give you some more things to ponder... the best percentages for ECCENTRIC are yet to be determined...we have had up to 160% (yes you read that correctly)...most of the time just over 100% on the down portion....the best percentages for power keep dropping...the classic study says 58% as being the best marrige on the conversion from the negative to POSITIVE contractions...we have had GREAT results with percents in the high 30's to 40's....then we use bungee's to KICK IN at 135-degree's to work into the HIGH 80 % of max....and I thought I didn't need math in high school...the throwers all got calculators for Xmas....
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Posted: 1/05/06 at 7:52am |
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I guess what you're saying is this is some way to overload the hamstrings while either relaxing or overloading (you mention both) the glutes at the same time.
Seems like a good adjustable ham/glute bench would be a much easier/safer way to overload the hams and plus you can vary the joint angles more. |
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Posted: 1/05/06 at 11:57am |
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I'm not about to endorse this exercise, because I don't have any
experience with it, but it looks like it's got some things going for
it: It's an explosive exercise, because it's taking advantage of
the stretch-shorten reflex, so you get an overload response from the
entire posterior chain. It also requires coordinating the
posterior chain the way it's used in squatting/jumping. I think
it can be done safely, if you start with easily handled weights and do
it in a cage.
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Posted: 1/06/06 at 4:23am |
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Posted: 1/06/06 at 4:30am |
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Posted: 1/07/06 at 9:22am |
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Ok this comment now seems way off topic but I found my long lost shoes, after 12years, they were in my mommies attic the whole time.
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Posted: 1/17/06 at 3:00pm |
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Lovely looking shoes you have there, the blue matches your eyes. I have a pair given to me, as always I am loking to save some dosh here and there. Great purchase they were too, I feel much more stable squatting and snatching in them. Use them for lifting all the time. Pat |
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