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 Topic: StatinsPosted: 12/05/12 at 7:41pm |
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Any "Masters" out there taking a statin for their cholesterol? I started taking one 3-4 months ago and the strength in the gym is just not there any more. Also I have some general stiffness which I could also call soreness. Box jumps and other dynamic exercises are off the radar as there is no snap left. Could be age but the timing seems to coincide with the addition of the statin medication recently...
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Posted: 12/05/12 at 9:05pm |
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I have not had to do that yet but here is a link to side effects from the Mayo Clinic.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/statin-side-effects/MY00205 |
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Posted: 12/06/12 at 7:24am |
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The side effects are precisely the reason i have refused to take a statin, despite having high cholesterol. My mom had similar muscle issues and discontinued the statin as a result as well.
Myles might have some insight, as he has tried several different ones because of sides. |
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Posted: 12/06/12 at 10:36am |
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OK, take this or leave it...it's my understanding that the people that started all of this cholesterol scare years ago was Mazola Corn Oil Co.
 If so, I smell a rat. I'm also given to understand that the brain and heart need colesterol and fat, without which you're looking at trouble. I talked to an osteopath who told me that he read a study by some German doctors who were studying the negative effects of cholesterol and fat reduction on the heart and brain and had come to the same conclusion. So I say: pass the donuts please,but I'm just a retired factory worker so dont take my word for it.
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emotionally and technically challeged so I just lift, throw and overeat
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Posted: 12/06/12 at 12:53pm |
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I am 47 and been on a few statins of various strengths and dosages for the last 10-15 years due to my own cholesterol and because of bad family history. Given the length of time I can't tell you if some of my aches and strength loss are due to these or just general decline of T and age.
If you are experiencing muscle soreness and other side effects as described in the above article talk with your Dr. ASAP. You might be able to change to another statin with a different strength and dose and be back close to normal in a few months time. Not all statins are created equal. Don't wait on this as some of the side effects are so damaging you might not recover. I try to counter some of the neg crap the statins generate with a healthy daily dose of CoQ10
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Posted: 12/06/12 at 3:10pm |
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I have used several statins since my heart surgery in effort to bring down my cholesterol number that is quite high thanks to nature. I had trouble with several of them causing me pain in the body shortly after taking them. I am currently on the zetia. It is taken up a little different and I have had no issues with this one and can't tell I am on it. Now I am not as strong as I used to be, but I don't think I can hang that on the statin. If you don't have any blockage or cholesterol problem then great you don't need them, but you also don't want that donut caught in your aorta I can tell you from exp. When a dude has to get elbow deep in your chest you will opt for the statin. Have tried both and the pill is the way to go.
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Posted: 12/06/12 at 6:36pm |
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Thanks for the insight. With a terrible family history of heart disease I want to be vigilant. I know I am getting older but 3 months passing on the calendar should not affect my strength by 100+ pounds on the squat. My only conclusion is the statin I started taking 3 months ago is not a coincidence. I will tell my doctor and ask to switch medications.
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Posted: 12/07/12 at 10:08am |
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I take Crestor, no idea if it's affected my strength as I lift so far below any decent level of intensity I'd never notice.
My cholesterol has dropped a lot though. I don't like the idea of statins and would rather not bother, but my doctor was absolutely freaking out. It seems like a genetic thing to me, my sister is a crossfitter/physique competitor/FireFit athlete with about 9% BF and she has super high cholesterol too. I guess I'd tend to fall on Myles' side of the fence here, I'd rather take the pill than the rib spreader. |
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Posted: 12/07/12 at 10:26am |
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Zetia is not a statin--works in the digestive tract. Can be combined with a statin, but does not have to be.
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Posted: 12/11/12 at 8:18am |
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Educate yourself and make an imformed choice. MOST medical doctors are getting kick backs from BIG Phrama and want to just give those drugs away..
http://www.naturalnews.com/035514_cholesterol_myths_heart_doctor.html Reduce inflammation in the body and it wont be a problem.. By- cutting the garbage in, take whole food supplements to strengthen organ systems and reduce inflammation.. Eat more greens and whole foods.. If man made it- dont eat it.. My 2c |
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Posted: 12/11/12 at 8:29am |
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Posted: 12/11/12 at 10:42am |
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why does every conspiracy nut think this? i am married to a physician, know many personally and work with them as well. not all of them are of the highest moral fiber either, fyi. this is just not the way it works. it is illegal and generally structurally impossible for there to be "kickbacks" from pharmaceutical companies any more. if anything, docs are given incentives to prescribe generics whenever possible. "These findings suggest that adding hs-CRP levels to traditional risk factors could identify millions more adults for whom treatment with statins appears to lower the risk of heart attack," that's pretty much the biggest inference that can be made from all of this. that's good science. basically, the JUPITER study gave credence to the idea that inflammation from elevated CRP levels could be reduced by statins, and this correlates positively with good participant outcomes. it still doesnt change the fact that hyperlipidemia is HUGELY correlated with coronary artery disease and myocardial infarction. thus, telling people with high cholesterol to just take some untested and unregulated herbal supplements and eat some kale or whatever is amazingly irresponsible.
huh. at what point is food man-made? where is the exact point on the spectrum that wheat, sugar or meat is no longer "natural?" are there people out there eating kevlar?
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Posted: 12/12/12 at 5:06am |
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Oh things like pop-tarts, etc. Gene is essentially saying eat more whole foods and less processed.
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haha, Mike called Gene a conspiracy nut. Best part of the whole thread. Is beer and cigar close enough to nature? Cause here is Gene and I going raw and loving it
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Posted: 12/12/12 at 10:08am |
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i can argue a lot of things, but i cant argue with the sheer awesomeness of this pic
POP TARTS ARE MAGIC AND MAKE YOU STRONGER I WONT HEAR ANOTHER WORD ABOUT IT!!
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Posted: 12/12/12 at 10:35am |
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Mike, you can lower your inflammation levels by eating whole foods, dont be ignorant. Reduce inflammation and the Cholesterol can not stick or scar the arteries.. Yea its that simple.. Cholesterol is needed for a lot of functions in the body, to lower it with drugs is just plain irresponsible.. Im a Doctor of Chiropractic Mike, the only difference in our education versus MD is pharmacology.. We get more Nerve system and Nutrition..
I have seen more harm from statins then good.. Oh yea, its the "well we did help 2 out of 10 mentality" Our medical system is way broke.. We do however have the best emergency medicine in the world. Did you know that for the first time the life expectancy in this country is going down?? The med profession is so ignorant to herbs and Nutrtion- they are on a 1st grade level with it.. Oh yeah thats because the Pharma companies own the MDs, and if you dont think so - do some research.. dont get me going our I WILL START CAPPPING |
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Posted: 12/12/12 at 2:14pm |
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And ignorant on exercise as well! People always advised to consult their physicians on exercise, but they are not trained in exercise. So physician advice on exercise ranges from vague general suggestions ("just walk") to outright misconceptions/misinformation (for some female clients I've had: "you dont want to lift heavy weights or you'll get bulky muscles" from both an ortho and a primary care doc).
As an exercise professional, I wish I had the same office access that drug reps have. Exercise IS Medicine!
Teresa Merrick, Ph.D.
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wont argue that, generally. just define "whole"
we're seriously doing this? before i go off, i want to make clear that this is an internet debate, and not personal. i am positive we will get along great when we finally throw together. :) so when one of your clients presents to you with upper back pain with no associated recent injury, you would do the history and physical and determine that they were hypertensive, and also diagnosed with an aortic bicuspid valve when they were younger, even though they described initally as a "heart murmur or something." from there, you would realize that they are likely suffering from an aortic dissection, so you would order a CT scan to confirm this while you held them for observation. once the aortic dissection diagnosis was confirmed, you would determine if it could be managed medically (using Pfizer products of course, because they gave you that cruise), or if it required surgical intervention. since the anesthesiologist would be doing the "pharamcology" part, your training would allow you to use laproscopy to remove as much of the dissected aorta as possible, block the entry of blood into the aortic wall and reconstruct the aorta with a graft. ...or would you give them an adjustment and tell them to take garlic? chiropractic has a place on the spectrum of patient care, but that and medicine are different galaxies, my man. its like me saying the only difference between me and matt vincent is that he has more tattoos.
i dont understand the relevance to this conversation, but that is false. last complete data set from 2011: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf
those things arent their jobs, directly. however, i think if more people took their doctor's advice to eat less and move around some more, they wouldnt be looking for magic pills to fix themselves. folks like those on this board that remain active and pay attention to their own nutrition avoid many of the more severe issues that health care providers deal with daily. so, in essence, we get the luxury of lording over them with our nutritional and exercise knowledge. we aren't the ones they have to deal with most urgently. our issues are generally "wellness" issues.
as i said, this just isn't the case. its insulting to the people who have spent anywhere from 10-20 years of their life JUST TRAINING to be a physician to continually infer or outright say it. there are plenty of ways for physicians to make excellent compensation without having to resort to illegal kickbacks from pharmaceutical companies that annoy the shit outta most of them. of course i cant speak for every doc in the nation, but i sure can speak for a lot of them. the incentive and the structure just isnt there to make it viable for either party. best place to look for corruption, honestly, is in the pharm companies "research institutes" that employ docs full time.
IT ALREADY DONE BEEN CAPPED WHEN THEY STARTED BADMOUTHING MY POP TARTS
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Posted: 12/13/12 at 12:41pm |
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 +1As a Prescriber of Lipid lowering medications I can tell you that are no Kick backs... Hell its now illegal for Drup Reps to give us Pens! We all have to buy our own now...lol
There are alternative Medications like Zetia and a few others on the market that are not statins and work well.
Diet and Excercise is always first choice when I discuss lowering Cholesterol with a patient, but Genetics is a huge factor. And sometimes you cant lower without meds.
If you are on a Statin or thinking of going on one, you should always have you Provider order Liver Function studies before and again in 4-6 weeks along with your Lipid panal. If you are experiancing pain or weakness, you may have an elevated Liver function study and should Discontinue Statin. Liver functions will return to normal and your pain will subside. BUt you should also have your Provider review other medical options as well, such as zetia or other agents.
That being said... Merry Xmas!
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Mike, I look forward to throwing with you someday, and you are right, this is just a debate- nothing personal.
Im not going to go much farther with this as we are both set in our ways and it usually gets no where. I just wish the Med profession as a whole would look at the body and healing it with an Inside out approach instead of an outside in approach. All health comes from inside out. Strengthen the inside and combat all disease. How do you strengthen the inside, well that starts with eating whole foods, supplementing with whole food supplements, exercise, proper sleep habits, positive mental attitude, clean water...... I personally feel you can not get all the nutrtion and protection from food any more. Maybe 100 years ago, but not now. Their are more Neurotoxins, radiation, and stress than ever before. Shit, they have to genetically modify corn so it can withsatnd stronger pestisides?? What- their not beefing us up for those pestisides?? So like Eastern medicine- strengthen the inside to protect us from all the exteneral invasive forces.. Western medicine is outside in thinking- You have x, you take y to cover the symptoms. Find out WHY that person always gets sick and strengthen those systems so they dont get sick.. I never met anyone with a deficiency of zanax or lipator? Oh yea- whole foods, Lean meats, vegetables, legumes, roots, etc.. Man made foods- pasta, POP TARTS  , you get the idea..I guess what im saying is to prevent is to educate.. BTW Chiropractic College is an 8 year process... See ya on the field brother.. Jay- didnt know you were a Doc?? Kudos bro.. |
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