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    Posted: 3/30/12 at 6:45am
Yeah, every time I try to speed stuff up...wow I suck.
 
Working on drills and just focusing on the drill I throw fine.  LOL.
 
Yesterday...single-wind hammers...>95.  First two-wind hamer...101.  Think to myself, 'gee, the little hill is just a couple feet past that, I am SURE I can hit that since I am just warming up!!'
 
...96
...94...'Crap I really need to put some on this!'
...92
 
(Same thing happened to my LWFD after my first throw with a new technique, then I tried to kill it for rest of practice...SIGH.)
 
Ok...throwing slow and with NO purpose for rest of year.  LOL.
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Smooth is fast.
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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Smooth is fast.
 
This.
 
Also, if you're adding power, add from the end of the throw backward.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Greg York Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 3/30/12 at 9:07am
About halfway through the sprint I'm going to get confused, freeze like Wile E. Coyote, then explode in mid-air.

On a positive note, it will solve my heal pivot problem once and for all.
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LOL
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Originally posted by Sean Sean wrote:


Also, if you're adding power, add from the end of the throw backward.


Sorry to jump in to a conversation I'm not party to, but I have to thank you for that statement. I'm pretty sure this is what guys like Jsully have been trying to tell me directly for the past few months but it didn't click until I read that statement and stewed on it while walking my dogs last night.

All the talk about positions, slowing down, smooth is fast, know when to apply force, etc. didn't tie together for me. I mean if I am not ripping it from the get-go how do I throw it far? If I understand you correctly, I'm moving the implement into the next position in a manner such that I can add additional force to accelerate to the next position such that I get to the next position in a manner in which I can again accelerate it further and so on until I reach the release - at which point I finally try to get to top speed with the implement.

It does me no good to go full out on the initial or middle wind/cast/etc if I cannot continue to accelerate the ball on subsequent winds/casts/etc! Right?

Holy crap I think I had an epiphany! Now I need a beer!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dl_buffy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/01/12 at 1:53pm
LOL @ Lance.

Well I threw as slow and without purpose as I could this weekend in Kirksville and had a great games.  I got a pr in WOB by 2 foot and a pr in Sheaf by THREE FEET!!  Never once sat there and thought...'Gee that's high, gotta put in some effort'  Just focused on smooth and form.
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Sadly no joke there. I'm new to throwing and not very quick on the uptake.

I truly had an "Einhorn is Finkle, Finkle is Einhorn, You're gun is poking me in the hip" moment!
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If it makes you feel better, I'm still doing the same thing 15 years in.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jsully Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/02/12 at 3:09am
Originally posted by Lance Creed Lance Creed wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Sean wrote:


Also, if you're adding power, add from the end of the throw backward.


Sorry to jump in to a conversation I'm not party to, but I have to thank you for that statement. I'm pretty sure this is what guys like Jsully have been trying to tell me directly for the past few months but it didn't click until I read that statement and stewed on it while walking my dogs last night.

All the talk about positions, slowing down, smooth is fast, know when to apply force, etc. didn't tie together for me. I mean if I am not ripping it from the get-go how do I throw it far? If I understand you correctly, I'm moving the implement into the next position in a manner such that I can add additional force to accelerate to the next position such that I get to the next position in a manner in which I can again accelerate it further and so on until I reach the release - at which point I finally try to get to top speed with the implement.

It does me no good to go full out on the initial or middle wind/cast/etc if I cannot continue to accelerate the ball on subsequent winds/casts/etc! Right?

Holy crap I think I had an epiphany! Now I need a beer!
 
sometimes it just takes another person to say what the original person has been trying to say all the time but couldn't find the right words. Watch any high level thrower and you'll see they go from a slow cast, to a fast sprint and a huge finish. Staying smooth and hitting positions > speeding up and blowing by them.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dl_buffy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/02/12 at 4:27am
Ok, now this thread can be deleted before anyone else learns how to throw.  Only I am allowed to have the knowledge!!!  My thread, all mine, mine mine mine...
 
 
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Originally posted by jsully jsully wrote:

Watch any high level thrower and you'll see they go from a slow cast, to a fast sprint and a huge finish. Staying smooth and hitting positions > speeding up and blowing by them.
 
I don't necessarily agree with this.  The one point I do agree with is the huge finish.  Some "high level" throwers have a fast cast and some have a slow cast, some have a fast sprint and some do not.  They all seem to have a huge finish.  The key is getting your body in position to transfer as much force into the implement that you are capable of implementing at the right time.  If you have the weight moving to fast to catch up to it then you failed.  If it is moving to slow and is fighting against you then you failed again.  I try not to focus on speed as much as rhythm.  If my rhythm feels good then my throws typically go further.  You will also be able to time your throw in the end if it is more rhythmic. 
 
Watch the 2009 Pleasanton HWFD video.  Almost all of these guys are really rhythmic.  Most of them do not put a lot of speed on their cast or have a particularly slow cast.  If you watch their rhythm and what position they are in when they finish the throw you will get a lot out of it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Greg York Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/02/12 at 3:41pm
This? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rknebel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/02/12 at 4:24pm
That's the one! There is another one of the same competition that shows an overlap of one throw to the next. My point about rhythm is probably easier to see in that video. Lots of good learning can come from thos video.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dl_buffy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/13/12 at 2:21am
Took ego out of the equation last night, set my cone of shame at a calculated 80% of distance and told myself, as long as they are past that, don't worry about it.
 
Wow, I found that point to push the LWFD down!  I managed a slow first and power in the second!!!  AND...on my lst throw I managed to transfer over to my left and post!!!!
 
Sigh...six years to learn this lesson?  Really?
 
Just sad that it was nasty drizzling yesterday as I only got in some LWFD and didn't get to try this new approach on my stone and hammers.  Too wet for both those implements when the rain picked back up.
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Funny ain't it.   I walked away from both of my last two weekends smiling ear to ear.   Good thing this forum's here and gurus be sharing da wisdom because I'd never've figured this out myself.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mthompson33 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/13/12 at 5:46am
Yeah, Range throwing is awesome.  But, be sure to hit a few full speed throws regularly during practice.  maybe not every session, but at least once a week, put the hammer down on 2-5 throws in each implement.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dl_buffy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 4/13/12 at 8:19am
Yep, for sure.  Just my problem is trying to blast every throw even though I thought I was going to work on techique.  :^)
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