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Kilt1979 
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 Posted: 3/25/12 at 12:51pm |
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Congrats to you and Andy for the season opener in PHX. Dont ever take what you and your brother have for granted. I know that no family is perfect but to be able to share a common passion with your brother is pretty cool. I have been throwing since 2007 and my brother has never seen me throw. My girls will grow up barely knowning their only uncle. I have a feeling you and Andy are going to push each other to great things this year!
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Posted: 3/25/12 at 2:01pm |
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Thanks. He has been my best friend for a long time at this point and there is no one I would rather share the filed with.
Apparently now I have to start giving him bad advice so he will not kick my a$$ all year.
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Andy Vincent
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Posted: 3/26/12 at 12:17am |
Same here. It's going to be a great season!
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Posted: 3/29/12 at 1:26pm |
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http://www.amazon.com/Training-LAB-Strength-Highland-Development/dp/1470192659/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333070596&sr=8-1
Here is the link to the Hard copy on Amazon. Easy with Amazons one click buy action. |
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JSiau10
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Posted: 4/04/12 at 1:33pm |
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I jsut ordered a hard copy, can't wait to get started on it.
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I'm just an idiot, pretending to be smart.
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 4:26am |
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Ok, I guess I am going to be 'that guy'. One thing I learned in my late 20s is that I am not the guy that can go to the gym more than 3 times a week. Hell in my late 30's I could easily over train myself at 3 sessions a week. Now that I am over 40 by a bit there is NO chance I am going to lift like a twenty-something.
Looking at the in season stuff it has three days in gym and three days throwing. Based on experience this will not work for me...pretty much ever. Even with the 531 I have been using pretty well for last two years I had to cram the lifts into two sessions to allow for recovery. Pre-season that leaves me one day to throw with recovery time before next heavy session.
Right now I am in gym once a week and throwing twice...(going to try three, but no idea how that is going to go.)
So am I really that much of a freak that I am the only one that looks at this program and realizes I would be dead in about two months...injured and burnt out??
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Mike Beech
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 4:48am |
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matt makes a good point about "overtraining" that you might find useful: you arent overtrained, you are underfed and underslept.
3 times a week for an adult human really isnt that crazy. if you are injured and burnt out from that, there might be some other issues to address.
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dl_buffy
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 4:56am |
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You mean like my CPAP for snoring, my lifelong issues with pain during sleeping, or maybe my upper (effective) calorie limit of about 3000 calories a day? Yeah, I am not the perfect specimen of humanity, and that is why I know my limits in the gym.
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C. Smith
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 6:40am |
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I agree with what you're saying Dave, and even brought it up to Matt when he was writing the book.
There will be some adjustments that need to be made for some folks. Myself included in that crowd.
If you really believe this to be true for everyone, then I suspect you are in your 20's/early 30's and/or sub-250lbs. . Edited by C. Smith - 4/10/12 at 6:52am |
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 6:52am |
Dave, take another look at the "LAB". There is a BIG difference between 5/3/1 and the LAB. 5/3/1 you are taking yourself to near failure on your last set of each exercise. On the LAB, especially during season, you are pushing prescribed reps at significantly less than max weight. These are 45 min workouts, they are NOT traditional BB or PL workouts. They are self-regulating as you can only push the weights as fast as you can push them. Give them a try, remember to put your ego aside on your starting weights, and for the speed work, only the last 6 sets are at your working weight.
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Greg York
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 6:57am |
I'm committed to Matt's 3 times a week training program. It's just that I have to make his week 1.5 times longer... His Monday is my Tuesday. His Wednesday is my Thursday or Friday. His Friday is my next Tuesday. It'll get me through 2 of his weeks in 3 weeks. I make gains. I'm happy. |
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mthompson33
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 7:58am |
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Definitely not disagreeing with Craig here, recovery goes to crap the older you get, but trying to point out there is a BIG difference between the 5/3/1 workouts and the LAB workouts. Experiment with the volume and remember that the focus is on the throws. You can lift and do range throwing when you aren't fully recovered, but throw HARD when you are.
This is where the LAB fundamentally departs from Craig's methods. He doesn't practice, so he trains the lifts only and throws games. He needs to be fully recovered for all workouts. Something my ART guy drove home last year and seems to be helping is that I NEED to be doing something almost every day (if I want to stay healthy). If I don't, everything starts to lock up. No, I'm not trying to hit huge weight workouts or full comp throws workouts every day, but I am doing something almost every day. Be it range throwing with 2 or 3 implements, drills, Active recovery or a solid lifting session.
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C. Smith
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 8:05am |
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I agree with a lot of that Matt. (I was not referring to anything related to the 531 comments)
But to say that everyone, esp the bigger and older folks, can train 6x per week in season and compete is a pretty huge blanket statement that just isn't true (for me anyway), whether you're using 60% or not. That's all I'm saying, some people may need to tweak depending on where they are at in their career. Same as any program really. I'm essentially going to run Matt's program, just not 100%. I feel I've earned this right, but I also feel that other people haven't and should follow the programming exactly as written. I think Greg's adaptation of the program is a fine example. |
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 8:16am |
 guilty on all charges. most importantly, im not that experienced as a thrower so the more consistent lifting and throwing is really necessary for me to get "wired" for the sport, so to speak.i think the book is geared a little more towards guys like me and folks who are looking to break through to a high level. throwers like yourself are really best-served by listening to your body and training the way that has worked to get results. i will readily admit that i was probably overly-general in responding to dl_buffy, but i do hold that the principles of the program ring true for pretty much anyone, even if the training frequency needs some personal tweaks.
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Mike Beech
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 8:19am |
i think this is a great way to go. this is basically what happens when real life gets in the way and i fall behind.
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 8:27am |
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I will have to relook again with Matt's info. I read those numbers but then I probably didn't process them. I have the same problem in the gym I have when throwing. I lift ONE HUNDRED percent of whatever I have every time I am in the gym. Always have, I feel like a little wimp shit if I haven't beat the crap out of myself by the time I go home.
5/3/1 is the only progam that I have found that I can take the 'idea', force myself into a routine, and still feel like I put everything I had into weights that day. (Oh..and still recover after that.)
So the whole point that in season is different, I guess I need to digest that a bit.
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 8:42am |
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I can't say that I have hit the LAB 100% as prescribed. Due to some injuries, I've had to make some adjustments. That being said, the workouts I've done don't leave me beat up. They leave me sore for a couple of days, but not beat up. I've not done a strength block on it. I was doing 5/3/1 up through my first game of the year. Then switched over to pre-season speed/power. Getting ready to hit a peak season block due to the funky timing of my season. Then some strength work. Don't have to trash yourself to make progress... Especially IN-SEASON...
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MAT$O
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Posted: 4/10/12 at 1:26pm |
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There are definitely some things that need to adjusted for everyone. The program in the book is laid out as a best case scenario. That does not mean that you cant take some basic concepts and apply them to you and make gains. The single biggest difference between 531 and LAB is that Jim goal is for you get stronger in the gym. My goal is for you to throw farther. What Greg layed out is right on. For you why not hit the main lifts as prescribed skip the accessories and threw instead? Do this three times a week remember you are lifting to perform better. As Craig said there are some of us who have earned the ability to make changes he knows work for him. Applying the philosophy is what is important. Im sure you can apply parts of this and make some solid gains just like you have with 531 it is a great and well proven method. i also have a number of masters guy really enjoying the program and making gains. Remember why you train and go after that goal. If I can help great, if not i hope you find what works. Look at different layouts like three days over ten as mentioned above. |
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Posted: 4/12/12 at 2:00am |
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I think Age is not up for debate.... I am 48 years old and have made gains on this program. My squat from 540 to 600. 15 pounds on OHP. This workout is no joke! Yes I work hard, but its also working smart because I get the most for my gym time! I am done with most workouts in 35-40 minutes! I do maybe 1-2 accesory lifts because I want to, not because I need too. The program is is easy to follow and Matt backs it up by being available for questions! As far as being "overtrained" I have a hard time seeing that in "regular" person... I reserve that for people who are training 5 plus days a week at an elite level. Tired and sore perhaps, but most people dont see "overtrained". Recovery for this plan is right on as well.... Squat and Bench on day one, plenty of recovery by day 2 fo OHP and Deads working differant muscle groups. I thought doing OHP within 48 hours of bench might be a little weaker, but I have seen Zero issues with this and have made gains on my OHP. The point is, you cant read the program and decide it will work for you or wont work for you... Its daunting when you first read it.... you seriously have to jump in and start the program.
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Posted: 4/12/12 at 2:18am |
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Running a mini-"Peak Season" Block due to my disjointed schedule this year. Day 1 was last night. Felt really weird being done with lifting after 20 minutes. Muscles sufficiently activated, but feel ready to throw today. Probably modified day 2 tonight though (since I can't do OHP) since I won't be able to throw. The principle I see at work here, is when you are peaking, you want your muscles activated but rested. My ART guy was giving me this exact advice yesterday. Keep everything moving, but make your max effort work be the throws when you are trying to hit a peak. The "Peak Season" volume/intensity is DEFINITELY something many people (on this board) can do and still get throws in.
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Matt Thompson
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Posted: 4/13/12 at 5:58pm |
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I'm finishing up week 3 of my first speed/power block tomorrow. I would have finished today but my work day started at around 0630 and ended at 2330 tonight. I'm 36 and I have had to up my caloric intake, focusing on getting more simple carbs to keep from feeling like I've been hit with a truck. I'm dedicating a minimum of 15 weeks to this plan and quite possibly a whole lot more. And if it all works out I'll dedicate myself up to and including a peaking cycle for the Wichita Falls Fallsfest Highlander on 9-29. That's my goal competition. I want to kick Gant's @$$ so bad I can taste it.
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