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Alan H
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Topic: Talk to me about bench volumePosted: 8/13/11 at 8:15am |
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When I read some of the logs from you guys, I see your bench press volume is...well...lots. For example...
185 x 8 205 x 8 225 x 8 245 x 8 265 x 8 ---- that's like...40 presses! For example, Dan McKim, you do a LOT of reps. How's about we talk about bench and incline bench reps in training esp. in relation to stones distances? Is more reps good? Is speed good? I'm nowhere near as strong as most of you guys, this is what I'm doing, incline bench, right now. 135 x 6 or 8 155 x 6 175 or 185 x 2 In other words 14-16 or maybe 18 presses. 205 is probably my one-rep max, maybe it's 210. Would it be better for Open Stone performance to start at a lower weight and do more reps, faster...or stay where I am, with higher weights and the lower number of actual motions? |
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Posted: 8/14/11 at 1:03am |
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Take Dan McKim's age and multiply times two = your age. Conclusion is his workout is not for you.
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Posted: 8/14/11 at 5:24am |
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the flat bench dose not help my stone at all. it makes me slow and unflexable so just dont do it for power if you want a big stone. stick to the speed stuff with faster reps. grinding it out wont help you so stay far away from maxing out stuff. thats just my take on it. i like to bench so i wont be stoping lol
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Posted: 8/14/11 at 8:24am |
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Flat Bench 7-10 day out from a T and F NCAA's I would I go to 90%x1x1x1 very explosive and fast med width grip hi on the chest -long stroke with the bar. Great for creating max speed arm strike on the ball. 3-4 days out power clean and split jerks 60-70% x1x1x1-fast compound movement bar should be flying.
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Posted: 8/14/11 at 2:30pm |
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LOL...Myles I would collapse in exhaustion if I tried Dans workout. No...I wouldn't even get that far. I couldn't complete ONE rep at Dans lowest weight.
but the "volume" thing... I do incline bench BTW, no flat bench at all. 17/20...so low volume go for whatever "significant" weight I can get serious speed on it. |
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Posted: 8/15/11 at 8:50am |
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With my new program, my reps are as follows: When I'm just working on speed and focusing on throwing tecnique (when trying to peak for a specific meet), I'm only benching once per week and it's only for speed. I'll either do flat or incline (I change it every week) and add bands with 40-50% of my max for 8 sets of 3 reps... |
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Posted: 8/15/11 at 11:40am |
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Sooner or later I'm gonna have to figure out my one-rep max.
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Posted: 8/15/11 at 2:52pm |
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When I was in college, I pressed all the time ... to my
detriment. I would bench on Monday, close grip bench on Tuesday, Incline on Thursday, and Seated Military on Friday. These are the also the days I did some sort of olympic clean four days a week as well. I spent 2.5 to 3 hours in the gym each day. I. Loved. To. Lift. For all the overtraining I did then, I think it sometimes helps me now (on a side note, I think "overtraining" is a word used too often and too many times we self-diagnose a bad day with being "overtrained."). Anyways, I digress. I did all those reps in college, and now I think when it comes to pressing, my threshold for volume is fairly high. Now, three sets of eight on squats will most likely put me in savage soreness mode or severely limit my workouts for days. This, is just how it's gone for me. For me, when I'm trying to gain strength, I have to do some weeks of high reps (12s, 10s, 8s) and over the weeks, bring it down to my lower reps (3s, 2s, 1s). Alan, as you can probably tell from my log, I'm a pretty simple guy. I don't follow speeds or percentages. Now, I'm not saying it's not good, I'm just saying this is what works for me both physically and mentally. Honestly, unless I'm competing that week, I try to do as much weight as I can for that rep count I'm shooting for. I have NO IDEA if this helped any, bud, but that's just my thoughts and/or philosophy! And in regards to your question about the correlation to presses and stone marks ... the answer is yes! Do them all! [:P] |
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Posted: 8/16/11 at 1:58am |
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I think Dan's dead on. The only way my pressing ever goes up is if I'm doing it often. Granted, if I was to try to match HIS volume and intensity, I wouldn't be lifting anything heavier than a spoon after 2 weeks, but Dan's Dan and I'm me. That being said, I've had great success with using SOME kind of press 4x/week but you have to be very aware of volume and intensity management. And also doing a lot of stuff to keep the shoulders happy. If you're old and busted or even just want to avoid being old and busted, tossing in some board work to reduce ROM isn't a bad idea either. Especially if you're not benching just to bench but to get stronger triceps and shoulders for throwing. |
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Posted: 8/16/11 at 6:48am |
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OK..."board" work.... What's that?
OK... I've looked around at some guys workouts and I think that for at least 6-8 weeks of next off season, I'm going to do incline bench 2x a week. I still don't care if my pressing number goes up, I absolutely do NOT have a pressing goal, but I care very much if my Braemar and Open stone numbers go up, and so far this year, since I've been doing incline bench, that's what has happened. |
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Posted: 8/16/11 at 7:04am |
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It's benching with boards.
Youtube it. |
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Posted: 8/16/11 at 7:17am |
YouTube is our friend. Got it!! ... ROM = Range of Motion. Makes sense. |
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Posted: 8/16/11 at 7:27am |
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Frankly, if I had spent half as much time in the ring with a 16# ball in my hands as I did in the gym trying to get a bigger bench/incline/military I'd probably be a high 40's stone putter with a PR close to 50'. Instead, I'm a high 30's stone putter with a 40' practice PR and messed up shoulders. Your mileage may vary. |
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Posted: 8/16/11 at 8:56am |
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Alan I was 19-20 old kid who was throwing 63' plus w/shot back then should have referenced. Speed benching was a big part of my training back then. I had built very solid bench bench in the mid 400's raw and strict. I would use the 90% bench as confidence booster and get the arm strike primed. Just use caution- you don't want a new shouder or two |
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