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    Posted: 8/04/11 at 4:36am

how many of you are experienced programmers?

I'm trying to develop a routine that is (obviously) better than mine, however, I'm struggling with the "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" phrase right now. Nevermind how many times I throw/week, calories or recovery. I know what my recovery is so I know what I can handle. Current routine here, and yes, it is working very well, but I believe there is always something better out there.

With that said, I'd like some input for this routine, just to bounce ideas off of other experienced lifters (10+ years experience like myself). I've done 5/3/1, westside, 5x5, bill starr, mad cow, etc etc etc. I don't like RE work and I'm not trying to get bigger at the moment so I don't care about hypertrophy. It's all about speed and power for me, speed for games, power for powerlifting. I'm not trying to market this routine, I just want something ideal for getting strong and fast. Here is the routine:

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Monday: power = work up to a heavy single, then drop to 80-90% for 4 triples
squat   or   front squat
bench   or   incline bench
sumo    or   conventional dead
**swapping off every other week, ex. week21 = squat, week2 = front squat, week3 = squat, etc..

Tuesday: assistance + oly, varied rep scheme, doubles & triples for oly, 5-8 reps for assitance stuff
push press
CGBP
pullups
rows
hang cleans
hip snatch

Thursday: speed day = 8-10 singles, doubles or triples similar to westside depending on the exercise
squat   or   front squat
bench  or   incline bench
sumo   or   conventional dead
+ box jumps

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thoughts/comments welcome, please let me know what you guys thinking.. when looking at this, please keep in mind I also compete in powerlifting, so I can't be too HG specific.

my thoughts/notes: swap monday out for tuesday to get better oly performance. Oly lifts don't affect my power movements too much, but the other way around could be an issue. I'll have to play it by ear here, ice baths + high calories on mondays are going to be a must.

thanks for everyone's help

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I guess this should have gone in the training section, meh.. mr. smith, could you move it for me plz?
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This during the season or no?
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I don't compete as often as the others quite yet so I'm not sure if I even have an in-season or an off season. I only compete every 6 weeks or so, with the exception of pleasanton and minnesota..

If I were competing 12+ times per year, there's no way I could recover for a games. So, with that said, it would be a higher level athlete's offseason, but for me it works currently.

hope that makes sense.

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To me power=speed (lighter and faster) vs strength (heavy
and grind it out) day. What makes Mon different from
Thurs? What percentage ranges are you lifting on your other
2 days? You can use the same in season vs out but should
be using less weight moving faster while in season (spring,
summer, fall).

If it were me, I would have another day or 2 between the
Mon and Tues workout as you are pushing and pulling the
same muscle groups back to back.

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I'd get advice from a powerlifter who throws on occasion vs. throwers per se.

You don't need all of that for throwing.  This:

"Tuesday: assistance + oly, varied rep scheme, doubles & triples for oly, 5-8 reps for assitance stuff
push press
CGBP
pullups
rows
hang cleans
hip snatch"

...is insanity. 

I will say this, though:

Find your off-season, or your off-season will find you.


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Thanks for the input Al, I had the same thoughts as well. However, I'm trying to let my weight training be assistance to my throwing, therefore throwing will take precedence. If I move tuesday to wednesday, then I'll have to move thursday to friday. That will then trash my big saturday throwing session. I will definitely give it some thought though. In regards to monday being different from thursday: monday I will work up to probably 90% of my max, then drop down to 80-90% of that # for triples. Thursday is all speed work with bands, so I will hover around 50% of my max for speed. Once I get a power factor I'll only go heavy enough to still be within 1m/s.

Josh, I'm not a volume whore like I used to be. I rarely do more than 3 sets of anything. This tuesday workout would take me maybe an hour and 15-20 minutes, at probably 2 mins between sets. I wouuld hit snatches and hang cleans first. Then push press supersetting with pullups and finish off with cgbp and rows supersetted together.

I appreciate the input fellas. I agree re: finding my off-season. I'm definitely going to be doing that this year and changing my training around next season.

 

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Originally posted by Josh Roslik Josh Roslik wrote:

I'd get advice from a powerlifter who throws on occasion vs. throwers per se.

You don't need all of that for throwing.  This:

"Tuesday: assistance + oly, varied rep scheme, doubles & triples for oly, 5-8 reps for assitance stuff
push press
CGBP
pullups
rows
hang cleans
hip snatch"

...is insanity. 

I will say this, though:

Find your off-season, or your off-season will find you.


 

Chad Aichs is a good example.  He replied to me once on FB about programming my PL with HG.  He said you have to cut back on the amount of gym time when training for the games.  Focus on your throws.  Even Craig will tell you this "use the gym to get strong" the strength is but a foundation to throw. 

I am by no means a good thrower maybe low to middle "B" but I have seen in the past few weeks that as long as a keep my base strength and don't try to crush the iron everytime I go into the gym while I am training, my throws improve.

 

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I think this might end up being my off season programming, and in-season I'll drop the power day and keep the other 2.. I'm going to give it a shot as time progresses towards pleasanton and see how I feel.
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I've got 38 years in the lifting game, done most everything powerlft, Oly
competitive. Strength coached for awhile at a pac 10 University. Don't see
any dumbell work in your routine or core work not sure if you use them But
at 52 I'm finding that it is helping my overall strength. And I never ever do 1
rep max's I save that for the field. I don't think there is such a thing as the
perfect program, because your body changes every several years and after
forty it really does some crazy stuff.
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I do DB rows quite often on my assitance day, but thats about the only thing I touch a DB for.

I do core everytime I get in the gym, I just don't have it listed.. I don't do 1RMs very often either, but I do like to work up to a training max. Something that feels heavy, but is only 95% of my true max, then I typically work my %s off of that for the day.

I'm not looking forward to 40+, good thing I've still got 12 more years, haha..

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I use them for shoulder press or light day for push press because they can
be harder than barbell PP and use them for Incline Press and Rows. I don't
use as much freeweight as I use to except for Squatting, High pulls, hang
cleans and Deads. Hammer strength keeps me free of injury and don't need
to have a spotter.
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