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    Posted: 2/22/11 at 12:15pm
So I have been contemplating changing up my routine quite a bit. I lean towards the powerlifting side of things, but I'm starting to think that other lifts may benefit my throwing a little more. In particular I was wondering about switching up back squats and prioritizing front squats. I've noticed a lot of great throwers do front squats, some more than others, Craig Smith is a good example. As far as I can tell, he does almost all front squats. I've seen a lot of videos of Ryan Vierra doing front squats as well. A lot of shot putters seem to do fronts a bit more too. What are the reasons for that? Where are front squats advantageous, and where are they at a disadvantage? Thanks in advance for the help.
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Craig can't do back squats as he has a problem from birth and can't.  He used to do zerker all the time until someone bugged him enough to front all the time and now he has broken all the records in the front the guy who bugged him did.  Fronts are harder, you have to hold them up there with your arms and you can't do as much weight.  Harder is better.  I can't front now cause they stuck an ipod in that spot, so I have to back, but hey, it gets it done.  
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Yeah, I've noticed they are quite a bit harder. I had done them before, but never as a priority lift. I guess harder means better makes sense, but how might they be more applicable to throwing? I know they hit the quads a little more while backs hit the hams, but how would that effect throwing? If that makes sense.
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Front, Back, Box... Just Squat 
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hahaha, fair enough :P
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Fronts are more quad dominant.  Backs are more hip/posterior chain dominant.

If you are pulling like you should, proper posterior chain work shouldn't be an issue if you're only front squatting. 

In the front there is less spinal compression and your torso is more upright. 

I like fronts better for athletes, but don't have a problem with back squats.  
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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Fronts are more quad dominant.  Backs are more hip/posterior chain dominant.

If you are pulling like you should, proper posterior chain work shouldn't be an issue if you're only front squatting. 

In the front there is less spinal compression and your torso is more upright. 

I like fronts better for athletes, but don't have a problem with back squats.  


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I'm gonna switch my training up to be more conducive for strongman/throwing after my next power meet. I'll be front squatting once a week and backsquatting once a week instead of backsquatting twice a week. I suppose I could let yall know how it works for me. 
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I do quite a bit of pulls, so I'm thinking I'm getting plenty for my posterior chain. I think I'm gonna prioritize front squats over back squats. Thanks for all the input guys.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote prevail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 2/23/11 at 7:18am
If you are health,cycle in and out of every kind of squat.If you are looking for greater distance...see if the strength work is taking you in the correct direction.I would much rather be strong over a group of lifts rather than a specialist.Why not overhead squat to
fortify back strength and hip mobility ,then back squat for a time to build whole body power and finally front squat to form these gains into something great for throwing.I think of strength work as similar to building a house:is there just one tool you could use
start to finish?
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You make a very good point. I have been doing a lot of back squats before this point though. I also do snatches a lot and the final push is pretty much an overhead squat. So I think I'm probably doing a good job of getting all that in. I think at this point I'm into the front squat phase anyway. Thanks for that bit of input, that'll help me out when I begin a new program.
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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Fronts are more quad dominant.  Backs are more hip/posterior chain dominant.

If you are pulling like you should, proper posterior chain work shouldn't be an issue if you're only front squatting. 

In the front there is less spinal compression and your torso is more upright. 

I like fronts better for athletes, but don't have a problem with back squats.  

+1 (again), but as noted by prevail different lifts each have their own benefits.

Also, from the Articles Section: 

http://www.nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=618 6&PN=2

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To restate or rephrase, something written in the book "Supertraining" by Mel Siff.  Front squats are directly relational to a vertical jump and back squats are relational to a broad jump. 

Both are applicable.  Front squats are probably more important for a highland games athlete, because of the WOB, caber, sheaf, and hammer, which are very vertical events.  Stones and wfd's could be put in that category too, because of the posture involved.

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Originally posted by Sean Betz Sean Betz wrote:

To restate or rephrase, something written in the book "Supertraining" by Mel Siff.  Front squats are directly relational to a vertical jump and back squats are relational to a broad jump. 

Both are applicable.  Front squats are probably more important for a highland games athlete, because of the WOB, caber, sheaf, and hammer, which are very vertical events.  Stones and wfd's could be put in that category too, because of the posture involved.



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Some really good stuff is coming up on this forum, thanks for all of it guys! I'll keep reading and absorbing all the knowledge I can. Thanks again guys!
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