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    Posted: 9/22/11 at 2:16pm

Is a benefit missed if using towels or wraps to hold the bar racked instead of in the hands?

 

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Unless you use these as a warm up for cleans / power cleans
then no. Use whatever, hold it however to keep the weight
across the shoulder fronts.
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The desired training effect that you seek is likely derived more from the bar placement and the execution of the exercise than how you keep the bar in place.  Front squats are great so whatever enables you to do them is exceptable.
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I'd suggest working on your shoulder/wrist mobility until it becomes comfortable to use a clean grip unless you have some sort of old injury which prevents you from doing so.

 

When I first started doing them I had to use straps or a cross grip but after about a year of doing them 1-3 times a week I can get 3-4 fingers under the bar in a clean grip depending on how warmed up I am.

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Originally posted by Tim Pinkerton Tim Pinkerton wrote:

The desired training effect that you seek is likely derived more from the bar placement and the execution of the exercise than how you keep the bar in place.  Front squats are great so whatever enables you to do them is exceptable.


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I use straps, have always used straps, and see no reason for a non-oly lifter to work on being able to use a clean grip. 
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33 years of doing them with my arms crossed, all good.  Now I am learning to let the bar ride the fib.  I like how that sounds.  Ride the fib.  That is short for the fibulator(ipod rig) in my upper chest.
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I am going to do them as the knees allow this offseason. If it isn't much weight at all so be it, I am still working those muscles in that range of motion and with that technique.  Will most likely go arms crossed.
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tip...
...when the wt gets heavy focus on driving the elbows up
and forget about pushing with the legs. This exercises
is so much about posture (imo) and once you start to let
the weight crush you, you'll round forward, lose that
groove, fight the weight from falling out, shift forward
onto toes, overload knees, etc. all bad things. sit
back, keep that ribcage expanded, and it'll stay right in
the groove you need for heavy lifts.

every rep, i think about driving those elbows straight
towards the ceiling. has helped me more than once on a
heavy one when you start to fail and round
forward...drive elbows up, regain posture, and push
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Borges Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/14/11 at 4:42am

Mike P. is dead on it. Most people actually fail in the FS because their upper thoracic spine caves, not because they don't have strong enough legs. One other aspect is that you should keep the reps low enough to maintain your upper chest position. Once you start struggling to keep your chest up, you should end the set. This usually happens well before you run out of leg mojo.

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Originally posted by Silverback Silverback wrote:

.  Now I am learning to let the bar ride the fib.  I like how that sounds.  Ride the fib.  That is short for the fibulator(ipod rig) in my upper chest.

Myles is the only guy in the world that would use his fibulator to help with front squats. That's freakin classic right there. 

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The racking of the bar on the shoulders is extremely important for oly lifting
for regular training use what ever grip you like. If you have big biceps your
rack could be poor and you will be focusing more on keeping the elbows up.
And fighting the spine. Big biceps no beuno for front squat according to
most Olympic lifting coaches. Look at top weightlifter's relatively small arms
in comparison to other strength sport's athletes.
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Originally posted by mike pockoski mike pockoski wrote:

tip...
...when the wt gets heavy focus on driving the elbows up
and forget about pushing with the legs. This exercises
is so much about posture (imo) and once you start to let
the weight crush you, you'll round forward, lose that
groove, fight the weight from falling out, shift forward
onto toes, overload knees, etc. all bad things. sit
back, keep that ribcage expanded, and it'll stay right in
the groove you need for heavy lifts.

every rep, i think about driving those elbows straight
towards the ceiling. has helped me more than once on a
heavy one when you start to fail and round
forward...drive elbows up, regain posture, and push
through it.

 

Tried this yeasterday.  Huge help!

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"Big biceps no beuno for front squat"  

That must be the problem. I knew it couldn't be from inflexible wrists.

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Originally posted by Soul Eater Soul Eater wrote:

The racking of the bar on the shoulders is extremely important for oly lifting
for regular training use what ever grip you like. If you have big biceps your
rack could be poor and you will be focusing more on keeping the elbows up.
And fighting the spine. Big biceps no beuno for front squat according to
most Olympic lifting coaches. Look at top weightlifter's relatively small arms
in comparison to other strength sport's athletes.

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Originally posted by mike pockoski mike pockoski wrote:

tip...
...when the wt gets heavy focus on driving the elbows up
and forget about pushing with the legs. This exercises
is so much about posture (imo) and once you start to let
the weight crush you, you'll round forward, lose that
groove, fight the weight from falling out, shift forward
onto toes, overload knees, etc. all bad things. sit
back, keep that ribcage expanded, and it'll stay right in
the groove you need for heavy lifts.

every rep, i think about driving those elbows straight
towards the ceiling. has helped me more than once on a
heavy one when you start to fail and round
forward...drive elbows up, regain posture, and push
through it.



Nice thanks Mike.
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