WOB help

I have a friend up here that I'm trying to help on his W.O.B.

When he throws the weight , it lands about 15 -20 ft behind him ( to much arch . I think if he straighten this out he can throw over 17+ '

Any help or drills that can help ?

Thanks

I've had him start by throwing over a baseball backstop about 12' high and standing about 2-3 ft away from the backstop .

Thank Wayne !

A couple of quick notes :  I bet my last drop of beer he is intitating the pull off the bottom with his traps ?  Your TRIGGER should be your largest muscle-group (triple extention of the knee-hip back ) to get the 56-lbs moving and leave the wrist-elbow ( dare I say ) bicep OUT of the movement UNTIL the mass moves past your center of mass ( belly button) THEN activate the TRAPS. 

PS-CRITICAL Zones-Either take video (self coached ) or have anyone watch your trap muscles from behind....leave them out of the MOVEMENT ....until the weight swings through and look to see if the ARM is long...belly button is in front of the weight (from the side) and the back of the head is as FAR away from the wt as possible

Thank you Dan, coming from you that really makes my day.  I am very appreciative, I have been watching you very closely now the last couple of years from the shadows. 

Myles says that he does wob last - this is a great idea! Like doing a couple of pullthru sets last after a heavy day , it straightens out your back after all that twisting. And of course , wob comes last 'cause we need to find out who's been slackin' and who's been trainin'.

Ok, here's my 2 cents (which is worth about 1.5 cents in Dan McKim money). 

Dan, Myles, Baab all have SICK pulling power.  In my opinion, and Dan is a good friend who I think is too nice a guy to beat the living crap out of me for saying this.....but it's true.....he OUGHT to be pulling 18ft standing with his pulling power....and he will if he can keep that supercharged spine of his healthy.  My point is these guys have the pull, they are seeking the groove.

I have trained the WOB a variety of ways and being a "mediocre" puller (at least compared to guys like Betz and McKim) with a power snatch of 225 and a power clean of 315 (all after the age of 40, lifetime PR's....there's still hope fellas) I have come to the same conclusion that I have for all routines....you need to find what works for you. 

I think where the weight lands is extremely important as it indicates that you are pulling the exact same way every time.  That is important.  I think the reason that this works is that you learn to pull the same way every time.  There was a time when I was bench pressing and wanted to bench 400.  I started working out with a guy that benched 550 at 220.  He was spotting me doing a set of ten and he said, "Did you realize that not a single one of those reps were the same?".  I started to work on developing a perfect groove and THEN moving to heavier weights and I easily hit my 400. 

For a time, I had a set of standards that went up 24ft, plenty high to practice sheaf and WOB I thought.  I spent all summer going out and throwing the 20lb sheaf over the top once a week.  I would try 10 tosses and tried to get where I would hit 10 for 10.  Well, that year at games, I cleared 24ft.....over and over and over.  AT 26ft I would stall.  So I jacked my standards up to an ambitious 36ft (hey, might as well shoot for the moon!) and started trying to keep the consistency.....but pull harder and know that I was pulling harder by moving that bar up AND guaging where I was at my where the sheaf landed AS WELL AS if it cleared the bar. 

I think you need to be aware that if the weight is landing in the same spot, you are indeed pulling the same way, but a lazy F-er such as myself, I need that bar up there to make me pull harder.  I'm not a pulling freak like those other guys.  Otherwise, I'll clear the same height the rest of my life landing in that same spot. 

So the moral to my story, is if you need the groove then work the location, if you need the strength, then train the pulling movements and force yourself to dig for the higher throws.