Database |
NO BRAG - JUST FACT |
Post Reply | Page <123> |
Author | |||||
Mr. Natural
Postaholic Top 10 in the USA - '02-'08 Joined: 7/24/07 Location: NY Status: Offline Points: 1168 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Lots of good beer too. Not that you can't have it for breakfast...
The John Birch society flyers were weird though. |
|||||
Valenti
Postaholic Top 10 in the USA - '10, '12 Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Uganda Status: Offline Points: 1477 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
did any one see those smoke signals coming from the Mesa area.
|
|||||
"All you need in this life is a tremendous sex drive and a great ego...brains don't mean sh!t"
Capt. Tony Taracino |
|||||
kover
Senior Member Top 10 in the USA - '03-'11 Joined: 8/05/07 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 660 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
INside joke folks and by the way great job Will now maybe you can throw the hammer
|
|||||
Jason Pauli
Senior Member Joined: 8/29/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 915 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
A thrower didn't get what they were promised?!?! Welcome to the pros baby! |
|||||
Team Pauli - You never walk alone
|
|||||
wallyworld
Postaholic Joined: 3/13/06 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
The women have been being paid since we first started having their classes at the Claw in '89. We just tried to fool everyone by calling it "scholarships!"
Have fun yankin' my crank, guys! That's what I'm here for!! I'm sure that the woman in question was second in a class that only had two competitors. We have a rule that says "There must be at least four competitors in a class in order for all prizes to be awarded." The idea being that an athlete has to actually beat someone to collect Champion or Runner-up money. Had there been three entrants, l'd have paid her. This woman marked on her entry that she had read and understood the rules. She should have come to me for an explanation!
Not "heaven," just the only place big enough for our show. And nobody turns "pro," I don't even recognize the whole "Pro/Am" thing! |
|||||
anfearrua
Newbie Joined: 9/27/07 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I'm sure that the woman in question was second in a class that only had two competitors. We have a rule that says "There must be at least four competitors in a class in order for all prizes to be awarded." The idea being that an athlete has to actually beat someone to collect Champion or Runner-up money. Had there been three entrants, l'd have paid her. This woman marked on her entry that she had read and understood the rules. She should have come to me for an explanation! Does there have to be 4 in a class to get paid or do you just have to beat somebody ? if there is only 2 in a class why not just have an open class so everybody is satisfied i'm sure had she know their was only 2 in her class she would of signed up for another class... or did she? |
|||||
Irish by birth,Munster by the grace of god.
|
|||||
C. Smith
Admin Group Retired Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 6661443 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Yet there were only 5 open women, and you put them in two separate classes? Not like i care, but im sure you can see what some might think.... |
|||||
Jeff Ingram
Senior Member Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 793 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
You're ahead of your time Wally.
|
|||||
Valenti
Postaholic Top 10 in the USA - '10, '12 Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Uganda Status: Offline Points: 1477 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I'm all for that Wally,,,lets put ALL the money in one pot,,,,and have at it. Why pay ams and pros...everyone is pro so the money is up for grabs...I got no problem with that. Anyone else?
|
|||||
"All you need in this life is a tremendous sex drive and a great ego...brains don't mean sh!t"
Capt. Tony Taracino |
|||||
C. Smith
Admin Group Retired Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 6661443 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
+1. |
|||||
wallyworld
Postaholic Joined: 3/13/06 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
The rule is as it reads. However, l do pay the Champion if there's a second competitor in the class, Runner-up if there's a third
Then i'd have three unhappy B's, two of which didn't win anything.
Two points, (if we're talking about an A athlete) a. there was supposed to be four in her class (including Summer Pierson) and b. an A can't sign up for a lower class. lt turned out that two of the entrants (and Summer was one of these) in that class were no-shows.
Prior experience said that we would have enuf entrants to merit both an A AND a B class. Prior to Games day, it appeared that there would be four A's and three B's. lt felt wrong to me to up and change what we had been offering AFTER the womem showed up to compete! Until the morning of the Women's comp, it appeared that there were enuf A's!! |
|||||
wallyworld
Postaholic Joined: 3/13/06 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
An interesting concept! Just take ALL of the prize money and divide down to about 60 places! l'm afraid, however, that that would greatly diminish the moneys now earmarked for the Elite class! Still "no problem?"
We DON'T invite "ams and pros!" We invite: Elite Men, Class A, Class B and Master classes. |
|||||
Jason Pauli
Senior Member Joined: 8/29/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 915 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
This is startin' to sound like lawyer talk... I like Mark's idea and I've supported such ideas in the past. But you don't break it down to 60 places, just to somewhere between 10-20. Those that came for their money get it. Those that come to throw for "fun" or "honor" or whatever get theirs also. |
|||||
Team Pauli - You never walk alone
|
|||||
wallyworld
Postaholic Joined: 3/13/06 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Spoken by a person who was never awarded $25 in his entire "amateur" career! |
|||||
Jason Pauli
Senior Member Joined: 8/29/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 915 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I'm not sure what you intended by that. Ah the vagaries of internet communication. My goal as an amateur was always to go pro and I did it as soon as I could. Probably too soon. The 10's of thousands of dollars I made as a pro made up for my amateur career |
|||||
Team Pauli - You never walk alone
|
|||||
phatmiked
Postaholic Joined: 4/13/07 Status: Offline Points: 2321 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Hey Wally, sounds awesome. The increase in prize money combined with the travel expense allotment make it easier and more likely that more Am's (or non-Elites, or whatever) can make the trip and the comp will be that much better. It will definitely make the ol' lady happy to know I won't be spending quite as much to make it out there this year. BTW, I like Valenti's idea. Throwing against the Elites would result in a pretty good schoolyard beating, but I might just land a shot or two. Besides, it would be fun and great for the on field education. |
|||||
Jason Pauli
Senior Member Joined: 8/29/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 915 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
AWESOME attitude Mike |
|||||
Team Pauli - You never walk alone
|
|||||
Borges
Postaholic The Conrad Dobler of the Highland Games Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Jamaica Status: Offline Points: 2188 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
+1 Dead on Jason. |
|||||
Cheers,
Carlos "Live free or die" |
|||||
Valenti
Postaholic Top 10 in the USA - '10, '12 Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Uganda Status: Offline Points: 1477 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
no need to go to 60 places....everyone throws and still the top ten or top twelve "Elite "get the money...Now its your throws that will determine if you are elite or not.
|
|||||
"All you need in this life is a tremendous sex drive and a great ego...brains don't mean sh!t"
Capt. Tony Taracino |
|||||
Borges
Postaholic The Conrad Dobler of the Highland Games Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Jamaica Status: Offline Points: 2188 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Damn straight Mark!!!!
|
|||||
Cheers,
Carlos "Live free or die" |
|||||
Kilted Canuck
Senior Member Joined: 11/15/06 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 782 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I think that when you have a system of money awards not everyone is going to agree on how it is handed out. In some places in Scotland & Canada they have money & is divided amoungst all the throwers competing in the division. At other games only the top 4 or 5 throwers receive in the division.
As always it is up the the games & the AD's to decide what is best for their games. At the Claw, it has always been that to recieve money or metals too, there must be at least one person behind you to receive the prizes. If you are the only one throwing in the class then you dont automatically get metals or money award. If there is 2 in the class then only throws that are first place get metals & overall winner will only receive the money award. If there is 4 in a field then metals go down to 3rd place & overall winner & runner up get some money. What is important to remember, is that the Claw is one of the only games (besides Portland) that offer 3 divisons for women. Unfortunately some years our numbers have not been very good & some people have had to pull out at the last minute. I applaud Wally for keeping these divisions for us and the opportunity to win some travelling money or whatever. Many games still dont have a women's division at all and a majority of the games still group us all together. Hopefully this will change as we get more female throwers to come out to all the games so will have full classes that will encourage AD's to have us throw. We should applaud Wally for his efforts in continuing to put on a great games & get so many excellent athletes from all divisions competing & providing not only metals & trophies but money awards also. We may not all agree how it should be divided but at least it is there for the taking. Cheers Karyn |
|||||
Steve D
Senior Member Joined: 10/12/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 196 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Wally, Keep doing what you're doing. It works and I have allways enjoyed your games as well as the perks of The Claw. Even if we throw from fake grass it is a great games for the NW. Once things get unified and your directed to follow a sanctioned directive it's your call. Steve D. |
|||||
nisie1976
Newbie Joined: 1/18/07 Status: Offline Points: 43 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
I guess I'm still confused as to why there are 3 women's classes with a total of 8 women throwers. Seems like a perfect scenario for an open women's class. It's great to have several classes if you have the numbers to fill them up, but what's the point of having a class with just 1 or 2 throwers? Seems kinda silly really, or rather, a way to avoid having a full class...which avoids having to pay out! ah ha! |
|||||
Kinyaa'aanii/ Honaghaahnii/ Bilagáana/ Booth/ Kerr/ Hobson/ O'Riain
|
|||||
anfearrua
Newbie Joined: 9/27/07 Location: Ireland Status: Offline Points: 29 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
ok first of all ,Wally I think you do a great thankless job but my only problem is that if a person signs up for a class where 4 or more enter and only 2 show up should the runner-up not be compensated for making the journey and especially if the money is there. see you all in july |
|||||
Irish by birth,Munster by the grace of god.
|
|||||
wallyworld
Postaholic Joined: 3/13/06 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Our rules, which are in accordance with SAAA rules, state "A class must have at least four competitors in order for all awards to be presented." lf l ignore that rule, why not ask me to ignore other rules? [QUOTE=nisie1976]...I'm still confused as to why there are 3 women's classes with a total of 8 women throwers. Past experience told us that there would be more entrants. lf we had lumped them all in an "Open" class, that would be the same as saying that we weren't gonna' offer the women different divisions any longer. l'm very proud that the Claw has been in the forefront of offering different classes where a person can learn and grow!! That's why there's prize money, incentive! l think that l was the first to offer something other than "one class fits all!" ln '84, l split our only class. l didn't even know what to call the second class. l went with Novice and Amateur. Prior to that, l'd never heard of a Novice class. |
|||||
C. Smith
Admin Group Retired Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 6661443 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Valenti's post that i cosgned was in more a response to the genereal state of affairs, not your game specifically. There are quite a few who have said make the money available to everyone, and by everyone, we mean those that throw the farthest. I think it's kinda weird that you are so quick to dismiss the "Pro" class, but dangit! you're gonna have 3 womens's classes, regardless of the # of competitors. I understand that you stand by your decision, but do you really think that a "class" with only two competitors is/was the best option? All that being said, I do actually applaud you for paying out the money you do there to the various "classes". |
|||||
Greg Hadley
Postaholic Joined: 12/27/04 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 1142 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
How come people have issues with classes in highland games? I think it adds to the sport. I think it's kind of a slap in the face to say that there are no pros.
|
|||||
C. Smith
Admin Group Retired Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Antarctica Status: Offline Points: 6661443 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
Greg - there will always be the Pro class, i think that's why no one is really worried about it. Just because one game likes to call the Pros something else, doesn't mean they don't exist.
Also, imo, if there is no "Pro" class at enumclaw, then the numbers shouldn't count toward the Pro Ranking Board. |
|||||
Jeff Ingram
Senior Member Joined: 8/30/04 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 793 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
While the whole Pro/Am designation thing has been discussed a lot, I STILL think we'd be better off with categories based on actual throws/results than simply by bestowing the 'pro' title on anyone who takes money.
You think that no "Pro" class is a slap in the face Greg, I can see that- but what about the fact that I am as much a Pro as you are, by the current definition? Not just me but plenty of others who won't own up to the fact that they've accepted prize money but aren't good enough to actually compete at the Pro level. As someone mentioned before, a performance based level- like Elite- makes more sense and to me more accurately describes the type of athlete at that level anyway. Pro implies that this is something done to make a living- Elite is what it is. Greg= Pro Jeff = Pro (by definition) Greg= Elite Jeff= Not That's just the way I see it- no disrespect to anyone intended. |
|||||
wallyworld
Postaholic Joined: 3/13/06 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1497 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
||||
|
|||||
Post Reply | Page <123> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |