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    Posted: 10/25/04 at 3:36pm
I posted this on the old message board, but didn't get much of a response unfortunately.  I contacted a few training websites, but didn't get a response from them either.  So, I'd like to give it another try in case someone can answer.  Coach Mac, any ideas?

Background:

Started throwing mid to late season in '03.  Admittedly, I don't much in the way of implements, so I'm doing simulations with db's and getting together with someone locally here in MN to throw on occasion.  In the meantime, I'm building stuff for throwing practice but it's slow going.

In addition to throwing, I study traditional Tae Kwon Do.  Which focuses more on self defense rather than tournaments.  Which I've been doing for the past 6 years or so.  For the same amount of time, my weight training has been off and on.  More on than off, but lacking IMO in results.

What I'm looking for is a training program that will benefit both throwing and Tae Kwon Do.  But, if that can't be accomplished, I'm looking for some ideas in regards just developing raw strength.  I think the Tae Kwon Do will help out with throwing in regards to balance/technique/flexibility/etc, but we'll see.

I did look at Coach Mac's website a little, but didn't see much in regards to what I'm looking for.  Will Barron recommended that I contact Doug MacDonald, which I did.  However, Doug didn't respond.

For weights, I'm currently doing a routine consisting of a 5/5/3/3 scheme:

Day 1:  chest/back
Day 2:  clean/snatch, DL, pull thru
Day 3: off
Day 4:  Arms/shoulders
Day 5:  Squat, clean/press, jump squat
Days 6/7:  off

Again, unfortunately I don't have easy access to throwing implements at the moment, so that part is difficult.  However, I am building implements and should have them complete soon.

Any thoughts on what needs to be changed or suggestions if someone can help out.

Thanks in advance.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Coach Mac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/26/04 at 6:00am
Shawn...U should look at the BASEMENT Training
on the website...I looked at your schedule...you
should do Plyo Training (jump rope first in the order)
then any lift that involves TIME (Oly lifts) then
STATIC...(deads-bench ect. ) Good luck ! mac~
Have a GREAT Day !
Rob " Coach Mac " Mac Kay
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote shawnf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/26/04 at 7:29am
Thanks Coach.  I'm assuming that's on your old website?

Also, with the ordering, do you recommend plyo/time/static training on the same day or spread out thru the week?  Apologies if you cover this on your website, I haven't looked yet.

thanks again!
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I think he might have been referring to your Day 5:  Squat, clean/press, jump squat.  That order is backwards, when you consider the neural requirements of each exercise.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote shawnf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/26/04 at 8:43am
Thanks, Wayne.  If that's the case, then I'm assuming I should switch my day 2 around some as well.

Go from: clean/snatch, Deadlift, pull thru

To:  pull thru, clean/snatch, deadlift

I use the pull thru as more of a simulation for WFH than an actual pull-thru.
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Shawn,

You should consider many different things but most importantly set up a year long lifting and throwing plan. You need to learn how to cycle your workouts through out the year in correlation to your throwing and competition schedule. A 5/5/3/3 scheme all year long won’t cut it any better than a 15/12/10/8/8 scheme.

Fast/ explosive movements (snatches, cleans, squat jumps) should be done first in a work out followed by your slower/power movements (squats or deads). Day one should include these lifts with day 2 your chest and back. You should throw prior to lifting. Remember you’re a thrower first then a lifter. Lifting supplements the throw. Most track and field throws work outs will benefit your development. You may consider calling a local college program and see what their throwers do.

Hope this helps.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote shawnf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/27/04 at 2:26pm
Steve,
  Thanks for the suggestions, appreciated.  I'll give a call to one of the colleges and see what I come up. 
  You did bring up a valid point in regards to cycling training.  It's something I'm currently doing, as I just switched to this particular program I'm on a week or two ago.  Two cycles ago I was on a 12/10/8/8.  Given that winter is here I thought I'd try and focus on power rather than the higher rep schemes I was doing prior.


Thanks again for the suggestions. 
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Hey Shawn,

This is Tony.  Steve is right in that you should cycle your workouts, or as I call it, periodization.  In a nutshell, you choose a timeline (example would be between now and the Minnesota Highland Games).  That would be considered a macrocycle.  Within the macrocycle are mesocylces, which are typically one month in length.  Your mesocycles would be your power cycles, strength cycles, endurance cycles, etc.  Then within those mesocycles are smaller microcylces which are typically one week in length.  The goal of periodization like this is to prepare an athlete for competition in which they can maximize their very best performance on that particular day.  The length in cycles is dependant upon the sport, etc.  For example, for an olympic athlete, their macrocycle is 4 years in length.

There are literally hundreds of combinations of workouts that you can perform within these cycles.  The key is to find the ones that will work best for you, giving you the greatest benefit while of course mitigating the risk of injury. 

Give me a call sometime and maybe we can hook up for a workout or two.  I personally don't write down anything as I prefer to train instinctively, so I won't have any programs per se, but I may be able to give you a few pointers from both a competitive and personal training standpoint of which you can add to your repertoire. 

Keep training hard, but smart, and we'll talk to you soon.

 

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Hey Tony,
  Good to hear from ya!  Thanks for the advice, and it'd be great if we could hook up for a workout or two.  Not sure if I've got your number, I'll see if I can find it.

  Thanks!
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Shawn,

Shoot an email to me at trootes@wellbridge.com or anthony.rootes@securitasinc.com and I'll shoot you back an email with my numbers.  Thanks.

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