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candysprinkles 
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 Posted: 7/31/13 at 5:11pm |
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Jay, my question was how your entire Master Men 40-49 class would vote if given the option of throwing the 56 v 42. I know you personally throw the 56 still. And there is no need to AKA me - my full name is in my profile.
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bigirish01
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QUOTE CANDY SPRINKLES AKA Stephanie
"Yep the men all VOTED to throw the heavier Portland stone. The majority won. The Master women informally voted last year, with the majority wanting to go with the change to 21# (per Karyn's poll - thanks Karyn!)
Jay, as a 49 year old Master (for 2013), you'd like to go back to throwing the 56 then? Take a vote of your class - I'd be interested in what the results would be. " yes they voted to use the proper stone when given a choice because they wanted to throw the same weight as their peers.... Thats the point.... if they had followed the Lead of the women... they would have voted to use a smaller stone because its easier.
I'm a poor example for you to use Steph... I have had the option of throwing Master (42)8 years ago and threw as a B and A until last year. I threw 56 last Saturday at Enumclaw. Im not gonna lobby to throw lower a weight beacuse I dont wanna throw it.... Its called the Heavy Events for a reason.
Whats next? Smaller lighter cabers so everyone can turn them? When I competed in Strongman you lifted what they had and Highland games should be no differant.
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candysprinkles
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 4:37pm |
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Kevin, thank for and the SMAI and MWC committees for considering and making this change. I, and many other Master Women competitors appreciate it. See you at MWC 2014! |
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candysprinkles
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Yep the men all VOTED to throw the heavier Portland stone. The majority won. The Master women informally voted last year, with the majority wanting to go with the change to 21# (per Karyn's poll - thanks Karyn!) Jay, as a 49 year old Master (for 2013), you'd like to go back to throwing the 56 then? Take a vote of your class - I'd be interested in what the results would be. |
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rogerws76
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 4:28pm |
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Kevin,
Great leaders will ALWAYS make decisions that not everyone will agree with. No one could do what you have done in the last several years without great leadership abilities. You will have many more of these decisions to make. When you look at the success of the MWC, NO ONE can doubt your ability. Thank you for your service and march on. Look at the growth of these games and be very proud of your work! |
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C. Smith
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 3:16pm |
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Better you than I my friend, believe that.
I'm sure the women throwing the 1.5 stone weight (sigh) will shower you with love a result. So you've got that going for you... Which is nice. |
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K Rogers
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Craig- It may turn out that I'm the wrong man for the job .. but its too late for me to turn back now.
I've got to finish this one .. but I will start looking for a replacement in earnest now. I've retired from better paying gigs.
-K
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 2:51pm |
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"somewhat" heavy athletics
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Kevin is far too nice, and I told him that.
I would have never made this change and told everyone to FFFFF off. Good thing I'm not in charge, I guess. |
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bigirish01
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 2:06pm |
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My point is that when it came down to it... They wanted to be respected amongst their athlete peers.... |
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Juli Peterson
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 1:50pm |
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Good to know! Thank you  jp
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You have to stop doing that Juli, if it worked we'd all be doing it.
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The Queen
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 1:47pm |
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Juli - you have a shot at that record any time you throw the 28lb. in competition. It does not have to be thrown at the MWC in order to count as a Masters Record.
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Borges
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 1:45pm |
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Besides, I still maintain that the proper way to run masters classes (for both men and women) is to use the same weights but simply drop events. I despise the 42#. If you don't want to throw the HWFD then just drop the event, don't change it. I still remember Bill Butler (may he rest in peace) trying to interest the masters men in a 19# heavy hammer. Thank God that idea never caught on. Just because we made one stupid mistake (the 42#) doesn't mean we should repeat the folly.
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Cheers,
Carlos "Live free or die" |
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The Queen
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 1:44pm |
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Key word there Jay, he took a vote of all of those involved. Kudos to the SMAI for listening to the Lady Masters and making a compromise.  I consider it a step in the right direction!
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Juli Peterson
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 1:43pm |
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I feel for ya! I know this decision has made a lot of women happy and I'm happy for them and for you on getting this off your desk on onto bigger things.
I'm also happy that I can go ahead and throw the big dog around. Win/win. I appreciate it, very much. Thank you. Look forward to hopefully meeting you at Jason's Throwing for The Cure event in a few weeks. Thank you again! jp
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You have to stop doing that Juli, if it worked we'd all be doing it.
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K Rogers
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 1:37pm |
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Juli-
Aaaaahhh, ... mmm ... aaahhh ... yes. Not sure why not.
See .. this is how the whole can of worms felt.
-K
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Juli Peterson
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 1:25pm |
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I'll be 47 at the time of this event. Respectfully, may I opt to throw with the younger group and earn a shot at that record?
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You have to stop doing that Juli, if it worked we'd all be doing it.
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K Rogers
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 1:25pm |
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Jay-
Show a little faith .. we'll compromise at 45years .. and hopefully move on.
There's bigger fish to fry. -K
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bigirish01
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 1:21pm |
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I personally think its a mistake to change the weight.... Thats my opinion.
I reflect on 63 year old Ken Beck, when givin the option to throw the 96 pound Portland stone, or the lighter one.... He took a vote of all the 60+ men... they all voted and threw the 96# ...same weight that the Pro's and all other Amateur Men threw!
You win the battle.... lower weight....
You lose the War.... Credibility..... |
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 1:06pm |
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That sounds like a fair enough compromise given the arguments of the other thread. By creating a new class, you would have new records to keep anyway allowing the 21# change, while still preserving the integrity 28# 40+ records you were concerned about. Good move, and I give you the utmost respect for spearheading such a monstrously huge event.
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bigirish01
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 12:52pm |
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So then Men 45 + will throw the 35# Now ?
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K Rogers
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Posted: 7/31/13 at 12:42pm |
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Hey
http://www.scottishmasters.org/index.html "We are pleased to announce that it has been decided that a New World Championship will be contested in Inverness splitting the traditional Women 40-49 age group into W40-44 (who will throw the 28lb) and the W45-49 (who will throw the 21lb). Thereby preserving the Scottish Masters Records for women's throws with the 28lb (2 Stone) weight for distance and height events while also accommodating the recent athlete inquires for the women's weights. Simply, we'll now start the use of the lighter weight at 45 years of age for the women. To do this we must now split the MWC2014 Early Registration List of W40-49 into 2 groups and we'll ask all the listed athletes to contact me at kevin.rogers@scottishmasters.org regarding the change in age groups and with questions about the weights designed for use." -K |
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