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    Posted: 5/09/12 at 7:25am
This question is directed to John Davis, but I'd love any and all insight and input.  I reference him because he logs often and, well, let's be honest ... he's thrown 67' in the shot and 202' in the disc. 

My question is, why don't more "elite" track and field throwers compete in the highland games?  I've heard that guys like Bloom and Godina played around in our sport, but why didn't they stick with it?  Why didn't they keep throwing in it?  I can understand why the top guys would stick with shot, disc and hammer because (for those at the top) it's far more lucrative ... but what about others?  You'd think this sport would be a great option for post track careers (as it has been for many others), but I don't know why not?  

Of course, Oldfield competed and Capes was one of the all-time greats in our sport, but you'd think more would do it.

Are guys burnt out?  Do the events not interest them?  Old injuries?  Don't like having 8-9 events to train for?

I find it hard to believe that it's a lack of carryover between the sports, because I figure that if you can throw the shot, disc and/or hammer, then you'll probably feel pretty comfortable in the highland games.  Much of it transfers over.

There are MANY more accomplished throwers than me on this forum, so I'd love to hear your input.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CHAD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5/09/12 at 9:04am
I think that having so many different events interferes with the shoegazing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pingleton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 5/09/12 at 9:29am
Let's not forget a few other rather important former T&F throwers:

- Jim McGoldrick (discus)
- Arthur Rowe (shot put)
- Ben Plucknett (discus)

...along with many other good to excellent college-level throwers, including Ryan Vierra, Matt Sandford, Ken Lowther, etc, etc, etc. (although I understand this goes beyond the primary point of your question).






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A few others come to mind:
 
Dave Mackenzie
Jan Desoto
Greg Tafralis (briefly)
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I think, simply put, most elite throwers at their event end up competing in their event until they literally can't anymore, whether physically busted or mentally burned out. Plus, at some point they realize they've been doing something for 20+ years that doesn't really have a retirement plan and they're forced to work for a living.

 
Plus, some of them get askeered of the caber ;)
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I think there are a bunch of reasons why guys do not compete in Highland Games.
1) Exposure
 I think that a lot of guys still do not know that the option is out there.
2) It is hard to muster the energy to try to climb the mountain again.
 Once you have been on top it is hard to start at the bottom again in something new.
3) If you are in shape enough to throw - you still throw in track and field
4) Real life gets in the way

Like it was said before, most people go until they can't anymore. At that time they are too beat up to throw HG. I was lucky enough to get surgically repaired and now I can still have fun.


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This is something I've thought about myself, Dan.  However, through my experiences, I've wondered more why non-elite track and field athletes don't get involved in the Highland Games.  I can perhaps understand why many of the elite or former-elite throwers wouldn't want to do the games.  The reasons for that given in this thread so far make sense to me.  But what about those that were decent or pretty good in high school, college, etc.?  There are many more of these athletes, but so few seem to make it out to a games.

I've tried to get many track and field people involved in the games, but only one person has actually competed (and still does to this day).  I suggested the games to my teammates and throwers from surrounding schools (when I was still in college), throwers that I coached, and other throwers that I've met in other ways over the last several years.  All of them seemed fairly interested, but only one actually put on the kilt and threw.  Several times I have actually given people all the information needed, from describing/showing them some or all of the events to telling them when and where a games was.  Also, I encouraged them by telling them that the events are so similar to track and field that they'd likely do well and have fun.  However, when it came time, they didn't show up to give it a go.

Personally, I think what it comes down to is that you have to be a little bit crazy to want to even try to compete in the Highland Games.  I once ran into a guy that I competed with in college at a Highland Games, which was just weeks after we both finished our collegiate throwing careers.  This guy was a good collegiate hammer and discus thrower.  He said he was just in town visiting his parents and they decided to go to the festival.  I asked him if he saw any of the throwing events during the day.  He said he had.  I told him that if he was interested in trying then he could sign-up for the Novice Class the next day and if he didn't have a kilt he could get a loaner that morning.  He told me he liked watching, but didn't think he could do some of the events and didn't want to get hurt trying anything like that.  I explained that he would be taught how to do everything before each event and he had a strong background in lifting and throwing, so he probably would not get hurt.  He still did not want to come back the next day.

This guy had the exposure to the games, all the right throwing tools for the events, yet he still did not want to compete.  He was perhaps afraid of embarrassing himself a little trying some new things without practice.  He was too cautious about getting hurt, when, I think it's pretty safe to say, he would probably be the least likely to get hurt in the Novice Class because he'd probably be the most experienced thrower of the group.  It sounded to me that he was just basically scared of trying something new.  I have a feeling that the fear of trying something new has been something that's held others back too.  

On the matter of trying to get track and field people involved in the games, I've realized not everyone thinks like me.  Not everyone I'm going to talk to thinks that throwing ANYTHING is fun.  Not everyone wants to do something "silly" like put on a kilt and throw all these ORIGINAL throwing events.  Not everyone can deal with something that is more individual than the individual sport of track and field, meaning some can't deal with the fact that they won't have a coach, teammates, or might have to likely train on their own to get better.  Going back to the original question posed by Dan, perhaps some of the above reasons could also partially explain the lack of elite track and field athletes involved in Highland Games.

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I think there are a number of NCAA All Americans in Track and Field who are competing.

Jon O'neil
Burt Sorin
Summer Pierson
Adriane Wilson
Joe Bailey
Darius Slowik


 
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Very true, and I don't want people to think I am slighting them or their track careers, because they are all far more advanced than me (Pockoski, Sorin, and many others).  I knew I would leave some people out, so I didn't want to list them all, but yeah, you all have listed out some truly amazing throwers both in track and field and highland games.  Good point.  
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At the end of my college career I was burnt out of track. Competing at a very high level collegiality made throwing feel like a job. I believe the number of events is intimidating to track and field throwers. Most throwers specialize in one or two events. You usually don't see track throwers earning all-American status in more than 2 events. At my first games last year I was extremely nervous about throwing 9 events compared to just shot and hammer. As a collegiate coach I'm encouraging my graduating throwers to give it a try and transition into a new challenge.  
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New to the board and coming in late on the thread, but Daniel, I love how you put Track & Field Throwing and Lucrative in the same thought.  HAHAHA! Oh that's rich! Wink

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There is a word that another elite athlete will be giving it a go this year with a first name
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bigd0g Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/02/12 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by stonethrower stonethrower wrote:

I think there are a number of NCAA All Americans in Track and Field who are competing.

Jon O'neil
Burt Sorin
Summer Pierson
Adriane Wilson
Joe Bailey
Darius Slowik

You forgot Mike Pockoski... and likely other pro athletes on this forum.
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What about big hamish Davidson , Legend in both fields....
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