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    Posted: 9/10/11 at 10:35am

Hammer seems to be one of my worst events.  I feel like I am way too slow.  Due to time constraints I am throwing mostly by myself and could use some external analysis.  Can you please tell me what you see or don't see that I need to work on.  Thank you!

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Was that your 16# hammer that broke?
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Yes. I'll be getting a new handle tomorrow...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JSiau10 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9/11/11 at 5:28pm
what size handle are you using? it doesn't look like 3/4 inch.
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Swings are too flat at the back and it causes you to pull the hammer in ,shortening the radius.Keep the low point over your left foot.
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JSiau10, it's only 1/2 inch. The hammer head that I have won't take anything bigger.

Matt, are you saying the hammer should have a higher "high point" when it's behind me?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brandell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9/12/11 at 3:08am
Tim, A couple things...

You were a good thrower, you are just rusty I
think what you are interpreting from Matt is correct you
are way too flat behind. I believe you need a natural 60
degree angle on the hammer so when you get good knee bend
you are at 45 degrees.

Next and imho most important, you are bent armed through
all of it. Dave Brown once told me that 1" of extended
arm radius on the hammer can = up to 8' in distance. Now
I may be remembering wrong, but I think he said that.

See if this helps
any...http://www.highlandgames.net/frame/22-alistair.html

and here is a unique angle of Matt himself tossing the
hammer. Even at this angle you can see the hammer behind
him so he is getting it up there on the wind...

http://www.myspace.com/video/jody/matt-sandford-
hammer/3817491

(Matt, my apologies if you didn't want that posted, but
its a great view of a great pull, let me know if you
don't want me to reference it in the future)
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That video of Matt was very helpful!  I see what is being said about the hammer being to flat in the back now. I feel like I can come closer to mirroring that "technique" as opposed to the one that Alistar Gunn uses. 

I'll work on keeping my arms straighter.  I'm concentrating so hard on holding my left shoulder in socket that I think I'm bending my arms.  Between working on that and strengthening my midsection I hope to see improvement. 

If I can add 8' by adding an 1" in arm length then I hope I can get that down! Thank you all so much for your advice both here and through the PM's.  I'm still open for more as I feel I am far from my potential in this event.

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Glad to help. I am trying to come back myself and My
hammers are far from being good. I know what to do, but
doing it is a much different story.

I am with you, I just don't think I will ever get the lean
that the Scots seem to get. I think its a genetic thing for
them...
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Originally posted by Tim Pinkerton Tim Pinkerton wrote:

I'm concentrating so hard on holding my left shoulder in socket that I think I'm bending my arms.



If you are doing this maybe you need to strengthen the muscles that hold your shoulders in socket? Many people forget to strengthen the opposing muscle group because they think 'If I make XXX stronger then I can push/pull faster'. In addition to needing a strong positive accelerator you also need a strong negative accelerator (a brake). Your body will let the contracting muscles only go as fast as the 'brake' can handle, otherwise things rip. You may have the strongest triceps in the world but your arm will straighten only as fast as the biceps can slow it down. Balance.

You are right on with the core strength. The stronger your core is the more 'weight' you can handle at a greater distance from your body. You may be bending your arms because holding the weight at X distance and Y speed is all you can handle right now. If so and you want to get your arms straight you should notice that you have to slow down.

People throw around this word 'technique' like it has nothing to do with strength, it does. It has everything to do with strength, it's just a different type of strength.

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I hear you.  I've strengthened my rotator cuff, my infraspinatus and supraspinatus, my teres major and minor, both my rhomboids, my traps, and my serratus anterior. I have focused a ton on rear delts as well.  Unfortunately I've subluxed my left shoulder so many times (once while throwing hammer) that the capsle is massively stretched and comprimised.  I'm hypermobile to the enth degree.  They tried to tell me that surgery is my only option but I disagree and so far I've been able to avoid that with rehab and prehab exercises albeit with some limitations that I have to deal with...

The core strength is a good point.  I used to do a lot of core but I have neglected that for too long!

I will do my best to get my strength up.

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Flexibility is going to be a key Tim and not in the
shoulder. Many of my joint issues have been from
hyperflexibility so I understand.

I would really work on back, quad, hammy and hip
flexibility. Make sure you are getting good knee bend on
the winds.

Worse comes to worse make sure you switch hands on the
sheaf (tore a labrum at the 01' games in KC we were at on
my left one) to take stress off that bad left shoulder.
and MAYBE learn to toss the hammer in reverse as well.
always a way to work around my friend
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Sorry  mate low point over your right foot.
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I figured that was what you meant after seeing that video of you.
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