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jpfitness1
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Topic: caber techniquePosted: 9/30/09 at 10:54am |
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I'm not sure if this is even a possibility of being an improvement, but is it in the rules to put one knee down to assist with picking up the caber? I think it would help with the flexibility to get down to the ground, but it might put you more off centered, so i'm not sure if its even an improvement. Just wondering.
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Posted: 9/30/09 at 10:32pm |
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I don't see anything in the rules that would dis-allow putting a knee down to help pick. I have never seen it done and would not suggest. You can't be balanced on a knee when you are trying to stand and balance the caber. The initial pull from the ground is just a small pop, but has be quick and smooth.
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Posted: 10/01/09 at 5:56am |
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JP - Spread legs waaay out and drop butt. Not the knee thing.imo
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Posted: 10/01/09 at 6:00am |
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yea, seriously, don't do that.
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Posted: 10/02/09 at 6:27am |
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Yep, that'd be hard for your balance - which is the key for caber. Without balance, you've got no hope! Spread the legs out and bend at the waist. If flexibility is tough, then hit those hammy streches. |
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Posted: 10/02/09 at 7:46am |
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I want to piggy back opn this and maybe I can get an answer too- The pick I have is solid- I am trying to balance the forward speed with the upward pull. It seems like if I run faster I can have a nice flip, but I get out of breath a bit, and as the caber gets heavier I am affraid I won't have the oooomph! to make it over. As I train, should I try to shorten my run, or forward speed, and work on the pull more? I don't have many cabers.
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Posted: 10/02/09 at 7:50am |
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p.s. if that is you craig- I have watched thsi video 100 plus times!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEO8b4hDJVs
and you make me have hope that I can compete some day. if the above poster is not Craig, well - you may want to check this bad ass out! FF |
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Posted: 10/02/09 at 8:13am |
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Tis I. Glad I could be of some assistance
(and btw, that caber actaully weighed out at 168, not 140.) |
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Posted: 10/02/09 at 8:36am |
yeah yeah blah blah,,,
so, about the forward movement and the pull. You seem to run real fast. what is your breathing thoughts. Are you breathing alot, or buildi9ng pressure? |
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Posted: 10/02/09 at 9:08am |
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i tend to be a better caber turner when I move slower. The longer you run, the more its going to drain your energy, so try to shorten your run, maybe. no matter what you do its going to tire you out though.
and in regards to the video. I apologize if its somebody on here, but someone posted a question about how heavy it was......even though the video shows the height and weight of it at the beginning of the video. haha |
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Posted: 10/02/09 at 9:10am |
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well, from what I understand the caber was significantly heavier than what the video says
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Posted: 10/05/09 at 12:25am |
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Since Craig turned it, had it filmed, edited it and posted it and then commented on it was heavier, I would guess he would know.
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Posted: 10/05/09 at 12:46am |
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turning 168 lbs is not blah to me. that is a heavy freaking tree...
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Posted: 10/05/09 at 3:29am |
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breathing? hmmmm...i have no idea, lol.
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Posted: 10/05/09 at 3:36am |
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I was teasing with the blah blah. This dude Craig is radical.
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Posted: 10/05/09 at 5:16am |
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We are supposed to breathe???
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Three sets of twenty ought to make you feel strong.
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Posted: 10/05/09 at 10:53am |
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Some folks like to run real far, and others only take a step or 2.
Some of this depends on the length of the caber and the amount of taper on it. I think the folks who run a long way with it do this because the caber gets in front of them and they are chasing it. I would think that 10 to 20 steps should really be the maximum you would need to run with it in order to impart the maximum velocity on the stick. - however if it gets away from you, it may be possible to run back underneath it, necessitating longer running. For me, its not really how fast I run, (or how far) but how fast I can stop and still get a full pull on it. p.s. and seriously 168lb caber is no joke - that's godlike. |
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Posted: 10/05/09 at 11:06am |
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Running is out.
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Posted: 10/05/09 at 4:20pm |
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Down on 1 knee, if your proposing to a women, plus if the caber decides to
do something different while your on one knee you could be on 2 knee's hands spread out and caber being extracted out of some orfice or it could be the worst public castration known to man. Out of breath running with the caber sounds like you need some cardio. Myles don't try to combine race walking and caber tossing as a new hybrid in the games just because you can't run, we would have to call you Mr' Swishy kilt instead of Mule. ha |
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Posted: 10/06/09 at 2:12am |
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Ignore me and listen to Craig. Clearly turns the big sticks.
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Posted: 10/06/09 at 3:21am |
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When you pick the caber get as low as you can. I am not the least bit flexible so i have to pop it pretty good. I also squeeze the caber with my neck till i get it where i want it. Good short run, be as quick as possible then when you stop STOP. Don't tippietoe into the pull you will loose all the momentum you gained from the run. Then it becomes simple-pull the end off the stick.
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Posted: 10/06/09 at 5:23am |
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I think I was holding my breath as I was working my way down the caber and taking too long. I am in cardio shape, but I was suprised how out of breath I got on that caber toss. hmmmm, just thought about it when I am training at the park it didnt happen, so I think nerves played a role too. |
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Posted: 10/07/09 at 6:20am |
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How far you run isn't nearly as important as how fast you accelerate the caber. When Larry Brock is healthy, he can get the caber moving faster in 6-8 steps than most anyone else running 50 yards with it! What you are trying to do is accelerate the top of the caber to create a whiplash that aids in turning the caber when you stop and pull vertically...assuming your timing is correct.
Strong guys can turn good cabers without accelerating it, relying on timing and a huge pull...but, to turn great cabers, even the strongest guy has to accelerate the stick. |
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Posted: 10/07/09 at 6:56am |
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Well said Mike |
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Posted: 10/13/09 at 4:13am |
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My philosophy has always been that the longer and heavier the caber, the faster I need to get it moving. Once you can combine speed, power and timing, that's when you start turning bigger sticks and turning 12's.
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Posted: 10/13/09 at 4:39am |
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Physics of Caber Tossing: Like EVERY throwing event its the same 3-variables:
1) height of release (more on that later) 2) Angle of release 3) V-E-L-O-C-I-T-Y
!) a TALLER thrower has an advantage, however a shorter thrower that CARRIES the caber higher (versus arms extended) could have an advantage ! 2) The kinethetics or FEEL of when too pull is probably the biggest technical fault (after dropping the hands= lifting the caber twice) . 3) Yeah a 14-foot 80-lb caber can be tossed by just about anyone from a stand with one-arm. IF. however, you are in Braemar in front of the Queen with a 19' 6" ( 140-lb) stick...you are going to have too either get the top of the caber moving as fast as possible OR dead lift 1.000 -lbs. too even get a turn on it. Matt Sanford...Jim Mc Goldrick (Ryan -when he not conservative... |
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Posted: 10/13/09 at 5:43am |
WTF! guess I'll just slash my wrists right now! hahaa --you bastahd! but- I'll bet you I remember this everytime I turn my training caber and get to 100 out of 100 sooner rather than later! Todd |
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Posted: 10/13/09 at 6:52am |
This is the part of a throw that in my opinion you either have or do not have. Very hard to coach kinisthetic awareness. Good point coach. |
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Posted: 10/13/09 at 7:45am |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEO8b4hDJVs ok- in this vid Craig runs/stops with a verticle caber (:23) into a squat (he decends into that squat during run= lowering the caber) / explodes for a pull (:25). I have been reading that we should pull prior to the caber tipping (Kenetics) forward. But- craig's caber is well on its way, prior to his "pull?" Did he overcome kenetics with strength? He is not one of the big fattys?
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