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    Posted: 2/11/10 at 2:26am

I decided to start a training log.  My workouts will be very different from most peoples because my Workouts day to day change.  I work our 3-4 days a week and the days very so my work outs very to.

2-10-10

Today was a workout that we call the HAW (heavy ass weight) work out.

Power Cleans 5x2 300lbs

Squats 5x2 585

Bench 5x2 345

The power cleans squats and bench all had to be completed for time.  The goal was to finish in under 25 minutes and to have no help on any of the sets.

Up right rows 7 sets with 10 seconds between each set.  Starting with 145 and increasing weight by 5lbs each set.

Shoulder press 7 sets with 10 seconds between each set.  Starting with 160 and increasing weight by 5lbs each set.

Medicine ball core.  Overhead passes.  Twist Passes.  Windsheild wiper passes.

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I just wanted to give some specs.  I probably should have done this first but I forgot.

I am 6'2" 290lbs. 

Max Bench 375

Max Power Clean 340

Max Squat 750

Max Box Squat 825x3

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GEEZIS!

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The workout for 2-10-10 was actually 2-09-10 so I don't do bench everyday.

 

2-11-10

It wasn't a bad workout but it did make me sore.

Bench press Sets of 4 for time.

225x4-4.1secs    275x4-4.8secs      295x4-5.8secs    185x4 untill it took more than 5.0secs.  It was 5 sets  3.1,3.5,3.8,4.2,5.1  There was a minute break between each heavy set and only 10 seconds between the 185 sets.

Shoulders and Fly super sets.

3 Total sets of Shoulder Press 225x10, Pec Dec machine 120x10, Upright Rows 150x10.  This was done as a super set.  3 times thrugh with 2 minutes between each set.

Finished with core.  Toes up Bridge on a swiss ball 20secs.  Elbows up bridge on a swiss ball 20 secs.  Russian twist 20secs.  3 times through with a minute between each set. 

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How often do you focus on these speedy type lifts?  Weekly?  Biweekly?  Do you find a solid translation between this and your throws?

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We do these speed based workouts probably once a week but we will focus on a different muscle group.  So week it might be chest.  The next week maybe legs.  The Goal for chest is to be able to do 295 in 4 seconds.  For legs it is to get 500 in 5 seconds.

In terms of how this effects my throwing, the faster you can move heavy weight the better.  If you can bench 295 three times but slow and I can do it in 4 seconds.  Think about the open stone who would be able to move the 16-18lb stone faster.  The faster you can move the weight or stone the further it will go.  So some speed work with weight is a good idea.  It keeps you muscles from just pushing weight you actually push weight fast.  Which is what we are trying to do anyway.

I have seen a significant improvement on my shotput throw.  Before this work I was throwing 60' with a 12lb shot.  After incorporating the speed work, the 12lb shot has increased to a consistent 65+

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Also a lot of the work we do isn't always for speed, but the amount of rest between sets is strictly monitored.  Usually between each set of any lift a rest of 2min or less is used.  The time between each excercise is not as important.  When you are targeting a lift, intensity matters, a strict rest time helps me keep my intensity focused on the lift at hand.  In other words I don't walk around the gym and BS as much. 
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Der Kiser,

On your presses, about how wide is your grip, give or take?

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Looking strong man, how long have you been timing sets?
If you don't have time to do it right, when are you going to have time to do it over?
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On my presses my grip is usually set so that when my upper arms are parallel to the floor my forearms are at right angles.  That is about a hands distance from where the grips on most bars start.

I have only been timing sets for about the last 5-6 months.  It is helping a lot though.  My max has gone up as well as ability to move weight set wise.  It really gives you a different mind set on training days when you time sets.  Instead of being how many times can I do this it is how fast can I move it.
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I'm going to give that a try manana...275x5 for speed bench.  Felt good on the incline.

Dude, stop talking to Quint; you're making him that much stronger, and that makes my day that much longer.

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A good way to set up the work is to do one set as fast as you can.  That is your base time.  Then From there do as many sets as you can with out the time slipping by 2.5-3 seconds.  For me that usually means about 3-5 sets depending on how I am feeling that day.  Either way enjoy the work it kind of gives you a little different feeling when you get done.
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Muscle Snatch No Drop Catch  1.5min between each set.
135x3, 155x3, 175x3

Hang Snatch
175x3, 195x3, 205x3   1.5min between each set.

High Box Squat super set with 350lb tire flips
405x3 3tire flips, 495x3 3tire flips, 585x3 3tire flips, 635x3 3tire flips

Pull Downs, Low Rows, High Rows, and T-bar Rows 
10 each super set.  2 Times through.

Gripper Burnout sets.
140lb-130lb-120lb-110lb-100lb-90lb-45lb x 2

Stretch Routine.

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2-16-10

6 in Board Bench Press 2 min between each set.         &n bsp;         &n bsp;         

350x3, 400x3, 425x2, 450x1, 460x1, 470x1, 500x1 but I couldn't get it up.

Plyo pushups on a 6in box.  2x7 side to side, 2x7 outside in, 2x7 Incline pushups with a clap.

Over head press, heavy fly, upright row super set.

1st set 225x5, 160x8, 65lb dbls x8

2nd set 235x4, 160x8, 65lb dbls x8

3rd set 245x3, 160x8, 65lb dbls x8

4th set 315x2, 160x8, 65lb dbls x8

The over head press and heavy flys were both on machines so the weight is not exact.

Stretch routine 2 times through

Bar twist x20, overhead twist x20, Bent over twist x20

Twist are done with a 45lb bar.

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Timing sets.... dang. I never thought of that.

Thanks!  I'll use that idea a lot starting next week.
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Originally posted by Alan H Alan H wrote:

Timing sets.... dang. I never thought of that.

Thanks!  I'll use that idea a lot starting next week.


I see a lot of that here in the last month or so.  I wonder what is the point?  If you are training to throw...you have like 5-10 minutes between throws.  So why would you worry what your between set times are in the gym?
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It not really training for time between sets it is timing the sets themselves.  You have a break between each set but each individual set is done for speed.  Trying to get a set done for speed makes you push yourself for that excercise. 

Example in competition you have a break between throws.  When it comes time to throw you go balls out for about 5-6 seconds.  When timing sets you get a break between exercises then go balls out for 5-6 seconds so it does in fact mimic the competition.

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Originally posted by Kilted Dragon Kilted Dragon wrote:

It not really training for time between sets it is timing the sets themselves.  You have a break between each set but each individual set is done for speed.  Trying to get a set done for speed makes you push yourself for that excercise. 

Example in competition you have a break between throws.  When it comes time to throw you go balls out for about 5-6 seconds.  When timing sets you get a break between exercises then go balls out for 5-6 seconds so it does in fact mimic the competition.



I don't know about you, but there is NOTHING I do in competition "balls out" that takes 5-6 seconds.
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All I was trying to get across was the fact that if in compition a person has a break and then for a very short amount of time they have to be as explosive as possible.  Why would they not train to match that.  5-6 seconds was just an example not an exact time.

They have a break and instead of squating 500lbs 5 times in 15 seconds they do it in 5 seconds they are training for that breif explosive period that they have to porduce on compition day instead of training their muscles to push heavy weight slow.

 

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If you were trying to match that, by that theory, then singles would be the closest comparison, no? 

If we take your 500 pound squat example and it takes me 15 seconds to complete and you 5 seconds to complete, but my concentric phase is .10s faster than yours, then I'll gladly argue my "slower" set is more explosive than yours. 

As Zolk stated in his post the other day, a lot of people want to do things in the weight room and believe that it will have some great correlation to game day performance.  The problem is that it doesn't. 

That being said, if you feel it's helping you, then by all means carry on.  Believing that something is working (and PMA in general) is a pretty big key to success imo. 
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Touché.

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Originally posted by Kilted Dragon Kilted Dragon wrote:

Touché.






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My understanding of the utility of focusing on speed when lifting is to move the implement quickly during each rep to develop power and explosiveness.  Not to rush through a set to complete it as fast as possible.  It seems that would increase the likelihood of injury.

With that in mind, my understanding is, also, that the speed part of the lift should be the concentric phase, not necessarily the eccentric.  I think that's part of what Mr. Smith was pointing out.  Too much speed during the eccentric phase, again, leads to injuries.  You can still achieve a stretch reflex and reap the benefits of reversing a weight without dropping it real fast.

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Maybe I am doing a horrible job of discussing and describing this workout. 

The eccentric phase of the lift is controlled and as smooth as possible.  The concentric phase is completed as fast and as explosive as possible.  The entire set, eccentric and concentric phase, is timed.  The faster you can accomplish the lift with a controlled eccentric phase the more explosive the concentric phase has to be to get a faster time.

It gives a standard to measure the amount of explosion during these exercises.  If I can control my eccentric phase and be smooth with it roughly the same way every time but my total time for me to accomplish the set is faster then my concentric phase has to have increased its speed and explosiveness to get a faster time.

I agree with everything ya'll are saying.  I have a tendency to explain things in a way that makes since to me but not to other people. 

It's how my jokes are too, they're funny as hell to me but to others I sound like a reh'tard.

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2-18-10

Rowing Machine 2x100m rows, 2x250m rows, 2x500m rows done for speed.

Hangcleans:  225x3, 235x3

Powercleans: 275x3, 275x3

Powerclean 275x1 straight to 30lb med ball backwards throw.  With a constant pace of alternation about 4 seconds between each one.  Powerclean 4secs, ball throw 4secs, powerclean 4secs, ball throw.  I did this continuously for about 8 times through.  It doesn't seem that bad but it works for me.

30lb med ball chest pass 2x10

30lb med ball overhead pass 2x10

30lb med ball left arm, stone style, 2x10

30lb med ball right arm, stone style, 2x10

150lb dbls farmers' walk 50yrdsx2

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2-22-10

6in board bench
365x4, 415x3, 450x3, 370x12

Plyo Pushups on a 8in board
2x8 side to side, 2x8 outside in, 5x10 push to standing from squat rack.

Shoulder circuit five machines Three times through.
High Row 120lbsx10
Rear delt 100lbsx10
T-bar 50lbsx10
Lat pull down 140lbsx10
Low row 100lbsx10

Grip work
Rolling thunder 90lbsx5, 95lbsx5, 100lbsx5, 117.5x1, 125.5 miss

12lb med ball throws 5x2 each arm.

Drill work.
15 glides, 15 rotations shot put
20 weight for distance turns with a 30lb med ball on a rope.
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2-23-10

Parallel Squats= 315x6, 350x6, 405x4, 455x4

deadlift off a 4in box= 315x8, 405x6, 455x3, 315x8

Box jumps 3x3 42in box

Box jumps with a step 3x3 48in box

Reverse hypers 70x10x3 superset with sprint machine.

Sprint machine 315x5, 365x5, 415x5

Abs cicuit 2x20secs each station

Toes up on swissball, elbows up on swiss ball, crunches, 30lb med ball russian twist.

Bar twist, overhead twist, bent over twist = 20x2 with 45lb bar.

 

 

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2-25-10

Bench Press 315x4, 330x3, 350x2, 375x1

Plyo pushups 2x7 side to side, 2x7 outside in, 2x7 incline with a clap

Shoulder Press superset with Fly's 3 times through

Shoulder Press 225x10, Fly's 150x10

Incline superset with decline 3 times through

Incline 225x10, decline 250x10

Backs super set High Rows, Low Rows, T-Bar Rows, Lat Pulldowns, Rear delts. 3 times through.

High Rows 160x10, Low Rows 200x10, T-Bar Rows 100x10, Lat Pulldowns 225x10, Rear delts 50x10.

Gripper

One hand 50lbsx20x2 each hand.

Both hands 100x20x2

Biceps.  Alternating Dbl curls 45lbx10x3 each arm.

Hammer curls 50lbx8x3 each arm.

Stretch

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