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    Posted: 9/09/04 at 11:59pm
living in New England we are subject to harsh winters which is counterproducrive to outside training-this year to stay in throwing shape will hit indoors 1 or twice a week(have some real early season games in 2005) besides an indoor shot(already have),and am looking to purchase an indoor throwing weight(ebay,friend,or M-F)what about medicine balls??indoor hammers(is thier such a thing?) Coach mac any insights......am hoping for a mild winter and will be outside until snow covers the ground but the inevitable winter will be here
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Hey Dan. Glad you brought up the topic. I was going
to eventually. I am throwing straight up till snow, and
then im thinking about snow blowing a path to throw.
Ive looked all over and found some medicine ball
stuff to do, but no indoor weight yet. Lets see what
people come up with.

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I am thinking about attempting to make an indoor hammer by attaching an indoor shot to a PVC handle. The handle would be short about 20 or 30 inches to reduce the distance in confined spaces. Has anybody tried this? Any pictures of such a beast?

 

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At Pipes in the Valley (Hartford, CT), we had very limited throwing space, so we cut the hammers down to 30".  This made for a pretty interesting event, but one that was quite unlike a regular hammer throw.

When you throw a short hammer, it feels like you couldn't possibly wind fast enough to put any power into it.  Thus, developing the ability to wind quickly might be the best aspect of training with a short implement.

Dan Bourque managed to throw the heavy and light versions 80 and 100', respectively, so it is possible to throw them far.  His winds were very fast, as you might expect.

I don't know how you'd go about attaching a handle to an indoor shot.  I can envision a sling of some kind with a fitting that fits the bell on a piece of conduit, but the "floppiness factor" might not be good.

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I live in Wisconsin so the winters are unpredictable.  I competed in Phoenix Last Feb and came home and threw outside from the end of Feb through the present.  When it snowed I tried to clear the box.  It's cold and wet and sometimes muddy, but I was able to improve all my distance throws.  But if anyone comes up with interesting indoor stuff, I would love to hear about it. When I really can't get outside,  I tend to hit the weight room much more, and then work on drills as well.
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Thought # 1...get a flight to So-Calif ( $ 99 one way
)   Thought #2-Inddor shots can be made
heavier...just ad lead shot gun pellets...they make
med balls with handles now * I think up to 20 + lbs.
and I also have a buddy who can make med balls
as HEAVY as you wish ...!   I had a tire guy tell me
that he made a wt (20-lbs.) for his daughter and they
basically poured the tire rubber around the
shot...down side...it bounced like a Super ball when
thrown !!!   

I believe in throwing hammer with shortened pvc
pipe...just add plates and get some ply wood and
make some "shims" (to duplicate the angle of the
feet out of a 2 x 4 ) and attach some straps to the
plywood to hold you down . To try and keep the
speed the same...its approximately 4' shorter for
every 8-lbs. (hey Carlos fiqure that out...    that
kind of stuff makes me cry ) we have gotten up to
85-lb. swings for SPECIFIC circular strength.

HEAVY netting around a HEAVY med ball will
duplicate your wt-throws. Get some havy carpet and
hang it to throw into...put some used tires at the
base...!

O.K. m brain is drained from the hammer handle
equation...

Have a GREAT Day !
Rob " Coach Mac " Mac Kay
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  • Videos and visualization (two great things to do when the weather sucks).
  • Go to the gym and hit that core stuff HARD.
  • Plate winds.
  • Step and turns.
  • Line drills with a plate (or better yet one of those med balls with a handle).
  • The list of drills could go on forever so I'll stop now.
  • Med ball throws (if you have even an ounce of creativity you could probably do these every day for a month and never do the same thing twice).
  • Try to piss off the hamsters.
  • Make a lot of noise.
  • Avoid solving equations, just work HARD!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote One Norse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 9/13/04 at 4:05am

I have been outdoor throwing here in MN for a couple of winters now, and the limiting factor seems to be traction. Last winter I cleared off a part of a concrete slab in my back yard, its not perfect, but when the sun hits it, it melts off and dries well enough to throw. This works at least until the next snowstorm. 

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COLD weather ( training) options....Are you ready for
some ... crocheting?

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night sport
The Associated Press
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North High School sophomore Samuel James said
they also try to make original, fun stuff like slippers.
James said crocheting is addicting.

University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire student Andy
Pamperin said it just seemed like a cool thing to do
— something that’s not normal for guys.
Have a GREAT Day !
Rob " Coach Mac " Mac Kay
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MY GOD. I cant think of anything appropriate to say
so ill keep my comments to myself on this one. Im
from Maine and we can still find better things to do!!!!
Just reading it makes me feel dirty.   
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Dave Barron is "packing" his stuff right now and heading out to wisconsin.  I am sure he has a "buddy" helping him 'PACK" for the trip 
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PACK like in fudge
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Well said. You have a knack for using the right
words that i do not posses, but thanks for saying
what i was thinking. Nice numbers at Legioner.

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Hey Steve Jystad, good to see you on the forum!  drop me a line if would please:  sfertch@gmail.com

This is a good topic, and one that I'll need to figure out before the snow flies.  I need to come up with a lifting routine that will benefit me over the winter, as well as figure out how to throw in the MN snow and cold.  I'm planning on doing at least 4 meets next year, and being the rookie that I am I need all the help I can get!


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When the weather sucks I do some cardio.....which involves my wife and a bottle of her favorite wine......Come to think about it, that's my year 'round supplemental training program.  (insert "big caber jokes, hammer time jokes, big iron ball jokes, etc. here).  I have decided to throw all winter this year and go the snow blower route when necessary.  I remember the days when NO BODY trained year around for the highland games, its nice to see it has become a serious sport. 

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Thom - learned this from James Parman ( old guys idol- 40+ killer pro who's small) he throws all year - just the heavy stuff - 5 throws each once a week just to keep muscle memory and positions. Resulted in PR's in every event this year and I ain't no spring chicken neither (45 in Dec.)Hint: he told me to focus on singles- if you can't throw a good single - 2 turns don't help.
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how about getting some plywood and glueing om some indoor out door carpet?  Like astro turp. Then you have a dry trig  if you can drag it inside even the toe board can be screwed in and it wont move

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I may be too late to effectively respond to dWood's original post, but I wanted to render my two cents' worth:

To address the question "Does an indoor throwing weight exist?," the answer is, yes, it certainly does.  Since this is my first post, I opted to use a picture of such a weight as my avatar (just under my user name) for easy reference.  Now, the implement pictured is commonly called an "indoor hammer" or "indoor throwing weight", and it is basically a 35-pound indoor shot that is suspended in a nylon bag/net, which is attached to a triangle handle via a nifty swivel mechanism.  These things are GREAT for Heavies training, because at 35 pounds, they develop strength for the 28 WFD, and speed for the 56 WFD.  As a matter of fact, I have two for my own training (I'd be willing to part with one for $75-$100, but you'd need to pay for shipping from Utah, or arrange to pick it up.  They're also available at www.gillathletics.com for $279 plus shipping).

Anywho, I lived in Minnesota for a couple years, so I can relate to your seasonal frustration.  Good luck!



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Check the link below, Put a 20 pound ball in the sling now just slide a piece of PVC pipe over the rope tie a knot on one end and you have an indoor hammer. I don’t know how durable the thing is but for 9 bucks its worth a shot.

https://www.power-systems.com/Nav/closeup.aspx?c=11&sc=4 4&g=2454&z=2454-1.jpg#

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G-man has a good idea - but looks like it will need to be considerably stronger.

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i have something that i have used for a few years and i just finished my last incarnation of it i out a 25 lbs bag or rice in three layers of burlap like the bag that coffee beans come in then tied it up with rope and used a piece of pvc for a handle but now what i use is 25 lbs of sand and still got the three layed of burlap but i put grommets in it to tie it all togetherand then used rope through the grommets for the handle and it works great if any of you want i can make a skematic and email it to you tsinsay@yahoo.com
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Carlos, for those of us with no creativity in hammer, go on some, please.
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I am not a big fan of overweight work in the hammer. I think it encourages you to tense up the upper body which is a critical mistake in hammer. The only people who really seem to benefit from it are guys who throw with the upright 'American' style like Matt. Maybe Sean can chime in here since he used to throw that way.

I think you do need to do a good bit of rotational core strengthening and that needs to be done with weight (just not out at the end of a hammer). If you aren't doing Russian twists for reps with a 45 then your core is too weak. Winds on a roman chair (belly up, really stay long) with a plate or med ball. I also like winds on one of those 45 degree hyper benches (still belly up of course) for a slightly different angle. Barbell twists (you wouldn't believe me if I told you how much weight I've seen Ryan using on these). Barbell twists with the bar held overhead with a snatch grip. And on and on.



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