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    Posted: 4/11/12 at 8:06am
I have printed off two articles that have teaching progressions for beginning shot put.  (Yes after six years I may be ready to be a beginner now.  Tongue)
 
There is a section that confuses me and maybe someone can tell me, if this is a typo, what the author might have really meant?
 
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...called the standthrow from a stretch.  This drill is designed to emphasize the quick push off the right leg from the standthrow position after it is recovered underneath the body following the glide across the ring.  The thrower begins wht drill by starting in the standthrow position with a base that is roughly 12 feet wider than his normal stance.  From this position, the thrower pulls his right leg underneath his body into his normal normal standthrow base.
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Pretty sure there is no way I can stand with my feet 12' wider than my normal stance.  Should this be inches?
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That's definitely a typo.  I'm familiar with the drill.  That should say either 2 feet or 12 inches.  I've seen and taught that drill as starting with the back leg straight with the back foot balancing on the heel before bringing the foot in underneath the body in a standing throw position.  I'd worry less about the actual distance of where the back foot is supposed to be in relation to the front foot, since that can vary from thrower to thrower, and more about doing the proper things with the back leg and back foot.
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Do you have an extra copy of the article?  I am a newer thrower and very interested to read anything available!
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Originally posted by s_hutch s_hutch wrote:

That's definitely a typo.  I'm familiar with the drill.  That should say either 2 feet or 12 inches.  I've seen and taught that drill as starting with the back leg straight with the back foot balancing on the heel before bringing the foot in underneath the body in a standing throw position.  I'd worry less about the actual distance of where the back foot is supposed to be in relation to the front foot, since that can vary from thrower to thrower, and more about doing the proper things with the back leg and back foot.

Cool.  I'm doing this same drill.  

But, I'm having some difficulty gauging whether I'm drawing my foot in far enough.  My throwing is too erratic for me to self-diagnose.   

One of the things I'd like to learn more about is this - when I draw that back foot 'under', I know to  concentrate on landing on the outside edge of the ball of my foot so I'm prepared to rotate, and I try to get the foot close to perpendicular to the throwing sector, I can keep the body back, and shoulders square to original position.... but I'm not really sure how to gauge if I've drawn the foot into the right position under my body.   I suspect I'm not drawing under far enough.

What is a good rule of thumb for gauging where that rear foot should land relative to your body.
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http://www.coacheseducation.com/throws/don-babbit-feb-01-2.htm
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Originally posted by Greg York Greg York wrote:

What is a good rule of thumb for gauging where that rear foot should land relative to your body.
 
For me, and yes I am the begginer shot person here...I am assuming it is where my foot would have been for the breamar.  I want to land very similar to that.
 
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Sometimes the drill is refered to as the Pull Under or the Gummerson drill, named after California thrower Bob Gummerson who made it popular in the early 80's.  It is supposed to simulate the right foot action in glide shotputting.  In other words, be very active with pulling the right foot underneath your body so that you can effectively turn the right foot and use the right leg and hip in the throw.  It is also a good drill to work on the rhythm of the throw, making sure that you don't pause, etc.
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Originally posted by dl_buffy dl_buffy wrote:

http://www.coacheseducation.com/throws/don-babbit-feb-01-2.htm

Great.  I interpret him to be saying, I should, at the completion of the pull under, be able to check it's position by lifting the blocking leg and being balanced on the ball of the rear foot. 

Once I get that, Beau, I'll unlearn stopping and checking.  :D
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(Did I put out the caveate that NONE of this information is to be used to beat me at a games?)
 
 
 
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Chuckles.

I'm sure there's SOMEONE out there for you to worry about, but, for the time being, the only threat I pose on game day is to myself and anyone unfortunate enough to be standing nearby when I throw.
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Originally posted by dl_buffy dl_buffy wrote:

Originally posted by Greg York Greg York wrote:

What is a good rule of thumb for gauging where that rear foot should land relative to your body.
 
For me, and yes I am the begginer shot person here...I am assuming it is where my foot would have been for the breamar.  I want to land very similar to that.
 
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Yeah, without being overly complicated on that matter, I'd agree that you just want your rear foot to land in the same place it would be in your normal power position.  That being said, it's easy in this drill to NOT put your foot in the proper position.  With a full glide, however, putting your rear foot where it's supposed to be in the power position can be even tougher.  So, one of the good things with this drill is making sure that your rear foot is underneath your knee when you pull it back to help you with that full glide.  If it's not, you are not pulling it back far enough or you are pulling it back too much.  Also, make sure you're staying on those toes!  Don't be lazy!
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Originally posted by dl_buffy dl_buffy wrote:

(Did I put out the caveate that NONE of this information is to be used to beat me at a games?)
 
 
 
(((Cause I thought about it...)))

Nope...  too late...  already accessed the web site (no take-backs).  Of course it will be almost 3 years before I can face you in a Masters comp...

Thanks, BTW, really liking some of the keys in the rotational progression and the stand progression.
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Originally posted by mthompson33 mthompson33 wrote:

. . . Of course it will be almost 3 years before I can face you in a Masters comp...

Wait.  What?!  How old are you?  

Are you telling me that you are 36 or 37?  That means I have to compete against you if I make it to the Masters.  SUCK!
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Originally posted by Jim Glover Jim Glover wrote:

 
Originally posted by mthompson33 mthompson33 wrote:

. . . Of course it will be almost 3 years before I can face you in a Masters comp...

Wait.  What?!  How old are you?  

Are you telling me that you are 36 or 37?  That means I have to compete against you if I make it to the Masters.  SUCK!


Yep, turned 37 in Feb...
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Originally posted by mthompson33 mthompson33 wrote:

Originally posted by Jim Glover Jim Glover wrote:

 
Originally posted by mthompson33 mthompson33 wrote:

. . . Of course it will be almost 3 years before I can face you in a Masters comp...

Wait.  What?!  How old are you?  

Are you telling me that you are 36 or 37?  That means I have to compete against you if I make it to the Masters.  SUCK!


Yep, turned 37 in Feb...

BAH!  I'm 37 in September.  I've got a lot of work to do but I'm done growing so I'm guess I'm hosed. Big smile

Thanks for the link dl.
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Originally posted by mthompson33 mthompson33 wrote:

Nope...  too late...  already accessed the web site (no take-backs).  Of course it will be almost 3 years before I can face you in a Masters comp...

Thanks, BTW, really liking some of the keys in the rotational progression and the stand progression.
Haha...damn it.  Let's see, 3 yrs, then I have to petition to make sure that ALL competitions have a 45 and over group by that point.  Big smile
 
Glad people finding the article useful.  It made sense to me and it is first time in my throwing I have thought (or knew) about breaking it down into drills like that.
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I was using this over the weekend.   Seems to jive with Duffy's find, but it has more pictures.


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No Duffy's here... :^P
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Sorry mang.  :D  I typed Buffy, then self-edited ("No, that's a thirty year old teenage vampire slayer - must be D not B.").   

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