MAT$O - Glide to Rotational

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   I hear you made this switch quite some time ago, I was hoping you might have a couple of key cues that made the transition a bit easier.
I was a glider for about 12 years, all time best of 56'. For a variety of reasons, I've started the switch over to rotational.

Any ideas would be great!

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Kilted Lancer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 4/07/11 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 140	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kilted Lancer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: MAT$O - Glide to Rotational Posted: 3/16/12 at 11:25am
	I hear you made this switch quite some time ago, I was hoping you might have a couple of key cues that made the transition a bit easier. I was a glider for about 12 years, all time best of 56'. For a variety of reasons, I've started the switch over to rotational. Any ideas would be great!

MAT$O Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Postaholic World Champ - '12 Joined: 7/19/10 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1242	Post Options Post Reply Quote MAT$O Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 3/16/12 at 3:35pm
	I did this is the off season before last year. I knew that it was going to take a ton of throws. I also never went to the MSA. My footwork was dialed in since I had thrown discus before and there are some minor changes between the two. I recommend start with going slow and figuring out how to rotate into the power position and finish a throw. I like starting from that side of it not the other. I want the finish feeling good then continue to add more to the front end of it. Kinda idea if you are teaching someone to jump step one is teaching how to land. Once I got comfortable with the rotating into the finish. I would begin doing some South African style throws. NOT MSA. So this is foot back at 6 oclock and working through the turn. Once this feels solid and you can get separation I would try to include the full approach focusing on getting to the middle. This is pretty tough to handle in a short post. But also I watch a ton of videos and try to emulate different things from them that would play well to my strengths. Hope this helps. I did a stone breakdown on my blog sometime ago check that out. May help as well.
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Kilted Lancer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 4/07/11 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 140	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kilted Lancer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 3/17/12 at 3:34am
	Thanks for the advice. I agree with the MSA - I really think it is a technique unto its own rather than an extension of a full rotational throw. I've been doing full SAs from 6:00 with a wide sweep leg. I'm at a point now where I can create some separation in the middle, and I've been getting distances about equal to my glides for the similar weighted shots. Everything I've been doing up until this point has been at the indoor throwing circle in which I coach, rather than outside on grass. I think I'll start outside this weekend to see how the change in surface affects rhythm and timing. Going to start with HJ spikes rather than cleats. Chances are high that I'll spend my training time learning to rotate, but until I can produce reliable distances, I'll probably still compete with the glide. Glide seems to be stalled around 50-52' with the stone regardless of how often I train, which will hopefully be enough to keep me near the top end of most Am comps while I make the transition. If you don't mind me asking, what were your best throws with the glide (Shot, and stone). Thanks again, much appreciated!

brandell Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postaholic Joined: 8/29/04 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2433	Post Options Post Reply Quote brandell Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 3/17/12 at 8:01am
	I really don't feel the MSA at all. I am not feeling like I am getting much leg into it and the throws suck. I can do the same with my clunky glide technique. I have to get something figured out, only 10 weeks from today till the MWC and as previously stated, my stones suck.

Kilted Lancer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 4/07/11 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 140	Post Options Post Reply Quote Kilted Lancer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 3/17/12 at 8:22am
	brandell - What is your standing throw like? In general, you have to have a big stand in order to throw far with the glide. When I was throwing 56' with the glide, my standing put was about 52'. 3'-5' is about what you're going to be able to add with the glide. If you want to see 10'+ gains from standing to full throws, you'll have to be able to rotate. I haven't had any luck with the MSA either. I just can't get the lower to upper body separation that is required for a big throw. The caveat is that 10 weeks is probably not enough time to learn how to rotate, unless you already have a background in discus. Have you tried a fast step-back? Its much easier to learn and you spend less time in single support than in the full glide. One of the collegiate throwers I coach switched from the glide to the step back this year and went from 40' to about 44' in one season.

jsully Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Postaholic Prefers the D... Joined: 9/13/10 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4096	Post Options Post Reply Quote jsully Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 3/17/12 at 9:33am
	My best standing is 47', though I average around 45'.. I started out learning MSA and my best is 52'6 with average about 50'.. I switched to full spin and now 3 out of my 4 practices have resulted in a pulled groin so I'm going back to MSA. biggest thing that made separation easier for me was to punch my left arm across my right side as my left foot was landing .. Ice still got things to fix, like delivery, foot speed and keeping my shoulders u but I dont have a t&f background and I've only been throwing for just shy of 2 years..

MAT$O Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Postaholic World Champ - '12 Joined: 7/19/10 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1242	Post Options Post Reply Quote MAT$O Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 3/18/12 at 1:40am
	My best with glide was in college about 57'10" and with a stone I think 53' but once I stopped I have not looked back.
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